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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: crocha617] #1525253
10/31/13 10:07 PM
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Are there any of the "other 50" that are out monies, or is it just mitchell? Where are they?

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525254
10/31/13 11:11 PM
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How do I respond to someone who thinks like this?

You stated in another post that you wanted to wait to here from the other side before making a verdict, then you make excuses for him, so much for being fair. Even if every excuse you gave is true the fact is I gave John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool $275.00 and have nothing to show for it 8 years later. Even a Total Jerk doesn't deserve this.

I tried the mature thing with John, it didn't work. I offered to accept things at a lesser cost, it didn't work. Nothing has worked for me. So know I'm trying public humiliation,
and so for it's not working either. But I will never stop trying until I get my money back.

I'm sorry if the truth hurts anyone but this did happen to me. On going in an other post on this site people are discussing their opinions about PG Classics good and bad. Thats what these forums are for, read the facts make you own decisions. I don't care if you want to continue and do business with John and U.S. Car Tool, but a least I can say I warned you.

I wished someone back then warned me.

I just want my money back!

Thanks,
Jim






Take an advertisement out in his local paper asking him to repay you. Better yet, contact the local NC news station and tell them you need assistance getting your money back.

The internet can reveal many things about a person. Local city records and websites like Zaba search can give you great information on a person.


I am not rich...but I get off my ass everyday to make sure I am not broke!

Can we get the Mexican cartels to help us with our supply chain issues? They don't seem to have any trouble getting stuff from one place to another.
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: 6bblgt] #1525255
10/31/13 11:16 PM
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The NC BBB shows one complaint against him. Not saying that wasn't one complaint with 50 complainants, but that's all the complaints the BBB shows. Perhaps no one else actually saw fit to use the BBB as a channel, but out of 50+ possible, just one. I've never had any dealings with the company, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just pointing out what I saw.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: jglen490] #1525256
10/31/13 11:35 PM
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Did I read that right, somebody got fired for asking him about this?

Op should take his case to the kangaroo court over on Yellow Bullet. Those guys can be like pitbulls when a car guy gets taken.


I want my fair share
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: jglen490] #1525257
11/01/13 12:15 AM
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The thing that bugs me the most is that I feel I'm the only this happened to.
Searching the links I attached you will find about 9 - 10 people posting there complaints one of which said that he got his money back. Tried to contact them but this forum seems to be dead or out dated.

I am the one that called the Better Business Bureau and the consumer affairs, they both said they had no complaints in regards to this matter, he even has a 100% rating on Ebay.

I don't know where the other 50 are. If there was more or less than 50? Don't know?

Maybe everyone but me got there money back? Don't know?

I spoke to John alot on the phone we never had a fight or anything, but he never made any progress. Asked him to send me just the outer ring and he said he could do that, but never did. Once I asked for a refund he became very aloof with me.

His last response to me was by Email 3/22/12 stating still working on it, I will communicate when I have news.

This is my first time posting to any Forum ever. Maybe I have gone about this wrong. Don't care anymore. It's been over 8 years, someone else sells this part now, I'm tired, I just want my money back.

To those who think I'm being to tough on John, In my mind I feel he's winning. If he pays me back I will let everyone know, so that you can form your opinions.

Thanks,
Jim

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: jglen490] #1525258
11/01/13 12:22 AM
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The NC BBB shows one complaint against him. Not saying that wasn't one complaint with 50 complainants, but that's all the complaints the BBB shows. Perhaps no one else actually saw fit to use the BBB as a channel, but out of 50+ possible, just one. I've never had any dealings with the company, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just pointing out what I saw.




The BBB needs a better system...And you can't use it to really gauge a company...You do know it's a private business service like carfax don't you ???...Trouble is this private service want's money from a business for a "privilege" just to post and defend against a complaint...10,000 good transactions never get a response but one complaint will get you an "F" rating if you don't play by their rules.... I know too many good business owners who've been run through the scam and their "ratings"....

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: screamindriver] #1525259
11/01/13 12:27 AM
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Damm, ever notice how many views a “rip off” thread generates?

Just goes to show how much we all love blood in the water.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* [Re: SomeCarGuy] #1525260
11/01/13 09:14 AM
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Supercuda] #1525261
11/01/13 09:39 AM
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bummer, I was going to order the chassie stiffening package they had for christmas, but if they are giving you probs over $275, I'd hate to see what my experience with customer service is if I have a problem. If they don't fix the problem, guess I'm not likely to make a purchase then.

Did I read the correctly, they fired a guy just for asking about a pass due customer refund? And who is to say they didn't get more than 50 for the initial buy-in, could have been 100 for all we know. At that same time this was going on, didn't they get new equipment for their shop? I hope they get this resolved soon, I would like to support a company that has better customer service than what I have read about.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* [Re: migsBIG] #1525262
11/01/13 09:42 AM
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: rrbrucea] #1525263
11/01/13 09:50 AM
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I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Herb Jr

And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5




Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: rrbrucea] #1525264
11/01/13 09:50 AM
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Did I read the correctly, they fired a guy just for asking about a pass due customer refund?





Read my reply above, NOBODY got fired over this issue...






It wasn't "just" this issue, but...

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I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Herb Jr

And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5



Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Hotwheelsjr] #1525265
11/01/13 09:58 AM
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To Clarify, I didn't tell anyone why I wanted to meet, just that I wanted to meet on Sunday to discuss a few things.

One thing that cant be lied about here, money paid, delivery dates, and work completed.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #1525266
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rrbrucea your car was in the shop and you are US Car's graphic guy and that's fine, but just remember there are 3 sides of every story, the plaintiff, the defendant, and the truth allies in the middle somewhere, Unless the defendant doesn't tell his side at that point there is one side only.

I hate there are any problems because at the end of the day US Car Tool makes some good products, Chris is a great fabricator, yes there are some issues but not with quality mostly delivery dates on new products, I will not post on here again, but quit being johns mouthpiece, you live in the same town, he works on your car, we all can see whats going on.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #1525267
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: rrbrucea] #1525268
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I spoke to Mitchel, I think he will delete this thread if he gets his money back. Is it worth refunding him to make this problem go away?

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: HMcCandless_Jr] #1525269
11/01/13 12:10 PM
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I spoke to Mitchel, I think he will delete this thread if he gets his money back. Is it worth refunding him to make this problem go away?




This thread should stay as to let other people know just what has happened. If he does get his money back, obviously that would be said but at least let other people know what companies they need to be wary of handing money over too, especially if the company does not want to seem to even let everyone know if there is even another side to the story. All though after all these years have gone by, I can't imagine what it could be that would make a difference.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: OzHemi] #1525270
11/01/13 12:30 PM
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There is no way for him to delete this thread anyway. It will just delete his first post. All the others will remain. Only a mod can make a thread disappear.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525271
11/01/13 03:38 PM
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I just wanted to see if anyone here is aware or was victim of U.S. Car Tool's scam.

Back in the summer of 2005 John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool was offering a discount for advanced orders on a reproduction of the 1966/67 Charger deck lid medallion, needing 50 orders to help defray some of the upfront tooling costs.He posted on various forums all the details of the part and even had pictures of the mould he had made to make the outter ring, stating deliveries would come in the winter of 2005/ spring 2006. On 9/26/05 I gave John my credit card information and order one, soon after he posted that he had the 50 orders he needed to proceed. I called John back in the spring of 2006, he tolled me that he was delayed trying to find a chrome plater that could do the brushed finish.That summer at the Carlisle Mopar show U.S. Car Tool had a completed outter ring on display (it looked good).

Months later John informed me of a new problem finding someone that could do the plastic injection needed for the insert. Months later he told me no progess was made and that he could no longer tell me when I could expect to get this part.The next time I called John I asked him just to give me the outter ring and call it even, he agreed but never sent the part. Then he said he lost the mould, and then he found it and so on.

I have since asked for my money back. Now he does not returm my call oe Emails, the shop does not pick up my calls or hangs up on me when I tell them whats it about. At this point I don't expect to get my money back or U.S. Car Tool to fulfill their obligations.
Let this post serve as warning to anyone who wishes to do business with John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool, DON'T DO IT !

Thanks,
Jim Mitchell




quoting the original post so it can;t be deleted.

Fraud is fraud and to be honest after all this time if what the OP claims is true, and it appears it might be, then no one deserves slack on this.

While Mitchell may one day get his money back and be "satisfied" (though I doubt he will now ever be so) there are still 49 others out there that may be wonder when they are going to get their item or their money.

So, in the interest of keep the info available to those other I quoted the original post.


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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: rrbrucea] #1525272
11/01/13 04:38 PM
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Did I read that right, somebody got fired for asking him about this?





No, you did NOT read that right... nobody was fired over this issue.




The posts since then indicate otherwise. You are playing reputation defender at this point. Sounds like this John guy has some explaining to do. I might just link this up on the Bullet myself since minions are in play.

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