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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: 340SIX]
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10/30/13 05:09 PM
10/30/13 05:09 PM
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Florida STAYcation
IcorkSOAK
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Kinda looking at both sides from just one sides post:
John got 50 to commit for partial tooling cost.
In the Form of a deposit {probably non refundable}
Reason i say this is has he gotten deposits and then gave it back he would be out total cost.
And was not able to make the Item and recoup the cost you and he have.
It was a gamble on all parties parts. You also mention it may be illegal for him to sell them when made. So at this point the tooling is a loss to everyone involved.
I have no dog in this fight and am not siding with anyone.
Just what I read into what i have read so far from the Op and others.
SIXer .... Did someone boink you on the head or is it you have been huffing pink-paint-fumes .... ? 
Unless the OP was a "partner" in this project .... No way should he have to bear thè cost of this project .... 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: 340SIX]
#1525218
10/30/13 08:23 PM
10/30/13 08:23 PM
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Florida STAYcation
IcorkSOAK
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Just pointing out do not rule out the fact that the deposit may have been non refundable! Anything is possible.
The way I see this PINKster is typical of new production...this happened to me some years ago. I had some interest in a fiberglass dash for a E body but it all hinged on me getting a good usable oem part to make the mold. In putting the deal together I took deposits from 5 or so people but the person that promised the oem part never came through. THAT was not the problem and of course the fault of the people who gave the deposits ... so all monies were refunded.
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: Hotwheelsjr]
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10/30/13 09:21 PM
10/30/13 09:21 PM
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Garden Grove, CA
OzHemi
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years. 
Ya, that too. I would have been fed up after 1 year.
Ditto...would not have been put off for that long myself.
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: mitchell]
#1525224
10/30/13 09:53 PM
10/30/13 09:53 PM
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S.E. South Dakota !
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Hey Jim
Welcome to Moparts, sad that you found us for this reason ..
I want to apologize for those folks that want attack you when your looking for support
You have used a lot of patience looks like , and the guy who got your money should be ashamed of himself for putting you thru it ..
People forget that , sometimes builds take years and maybe you didn't need that part yet ..
so, at some point you hoped it would arrive
I sure hope someone tells him and he makes it right and returns your funds at very least
Good luck, keep us posted and post some pics of the project
Pictures really calm the people here
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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10/30/13 11:36 PM
10/30/13 11:36 PM
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Jefferson State
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Wow, I'd like to hear John check in on this as well. Sometimes it's hard to stomach up to the bar and square up with customers. In the google link mitchell posted it stated reams of contractural assurances. So if this high quality chrysler licensed part had enough orders the tooling was going to be built. Until John produces parts from the tooling he holds and sends parts he would appear to be in default. If he holds no tooling then those that paid a deposit appear due a refund. Simple understandable contract that mitchell states has not been fulfilled. I highly doubt anyone would risk litigation for slander and I think op has every reason to either expect a part or full refund. I'm also 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: Twostick]
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10/31/13 02:22 AM
10/31/13 02:22 AM
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home of the Buckeyes
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I had something very similar happen with a completely different auto part and vendor and this was over $400. When I gave them my credit card it was not made clear that it would be charged before the part would be manufactured and shipped. The vendor kept making promises that it was in the works and development was almost finished but nothing ever materialized. Of course there was always an excuse why it wasn't finished. I know they had in excess of 50 orders...you can do the math on how much money they scammed.
It was longer than 2 years, but a very helpful person at my CC company was able to reverse the charges by taking my last contact/promise of delivery from the vendor as the order date. You might try this route and see if it helps. Hopefully you have written correspondence within the last 2 years.
addict:to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively ....hmmmm
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: Butterscotch71]
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10/31/13 06:26 AM
10/31/13 06:26 AM
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michigan woods
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sorry for your experience....I hope you get your funds back with a "sorry"....on the other hand...I needed a set of headers for my dart project,and decided I wanted "pro-parts" headers.(a-body,big block),so I called bob mazzolini,and he told me if he could get a few fellows to put a deposit down,he would build 25 or so sets.so I sent a large partial payment to him,(never dealing with him ever) and he gave a idea when the headers would be ready..well pretty much on time,he called,saying they were ready,and I sent him the remander of the cost,and got the headers promptly.....this is a good model for a honest,well ran business! what the man said...HAPPENED!! thanks to bob,abd his "old school" business model...its called HONESTY!!...oh call him...1-(951) 787-8783..or www.bobmazzoliniracing.com if you need any mopar parts,or some cool pro part headers....am I connected to bob?? no...just a happy guy from Michigan that got a good part from a honest seller!!! 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: mitchell]
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10/31/13 10:29 AM
10/31/13 10:29 AM
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This is one reason why I never committed with a deposit for the projected Challenger convertible rear interior panels. Months turn into years and in this case he got nothing.
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