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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/12/13 07:31 PM
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At the rate this is going this thread will never end.
From some of the more educated people with handling they believe the difference in tires from the 70's until now are huge.
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Of course I think we all know the tires are huge. We need to see what the Hot Rod tire test from Kevin Wesely tire testing shows.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/13/13 10:38 AM
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Just because something is built in the 70's doesnt mean it automatically cant handle, c'mon.
Agreed. Despite the advancements in technology, there are still only four way to spring a car; coil, leaf, torsion, or air. Has been that way for the last 100 years. Not sure when it will change.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/13/13 10:55 AM
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I think this thread is a testament to the quality and bang for buck of a track car that the Mustang is.
Basically comes down to this:
If you need instant gratification for $35k buy the mustang.
If your willing to wait it out and want to do it in a classic mopar, be prepared to spend money, time, and energy to improve upon your car.
A recent quote from a nice guy: "Building a vintage race car is a marathon - not a sprint."
1971 Challenger
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/13/13 11:21 AM
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if your going to do it with a classic car, then you need to start from the ground up. there are still plenty of a bodies and e bodies available for under 10k, that sure need some paint and body work, but at least you have somewhere to start. if your doing a road race car your not going period correct with alot of high dollar resto part either. there is tons of stuff that can be built, fixed, modded, whatever to look good for a fraction of the cost of reproduction items. now onto the suspension. so even if you drop 5k-8k on suspension pcs and wheels and tire, another 2k on brakes your your still going to be cheaper than a 35k stang.
you may not have ac or some of the new comforts but you'll have an awesome car that you can drive and be proud of. now throw in another 10k to get you on par with the mustang in cost and you can ac, a nice stereo, etc.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/14/13 11:39 AM
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if your going to do it with a classic car, then you need to start from the ground up. there are still plenty of a bodies and e bodies available for under 10k, that sure need some paint and body work, but at least you have somewhere to start. if your doing a road race car your not going period correct with alot of high dollar resto part either. there is tons of stuff that can be built, fixed, modded, whatever to look good for a fraction of the cost of reproduction items. now onto the suspension. so even if you drop 5k-8k on suspension pcs and wheels and tire, another 2k on brakes your your still going to be cheaper than a 35k stang.
you may not have ac or some of the new comforts but you'll have an awesome car that you can drive and be proud of. now throw in another 10k to get you on par with the mustang in cost and you can ac, a nice stereo, etc.
I think your a little short sighted here. A starter car E body like this will need a fresh engine, trans, rear end gone through plus very adequate brakes. Especially these cars. Even doing the cheap Early Viper to 11.75" rotor is another $1,000 to put together.
Putting a car through a road course is way harder on it than cruising it to the local drive in and sitting there bragging.......it has to perform on the track.
A car that can handle the rigor or track use is the end goal for this exercise.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/16/13 12:32 PM
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CCARSON -- I just got invited to a drag race night up at Union Grove Wisconsin for a private club meet (Wed eve, Sept 25.. BBQ, etc)... unlimted runs, dial-in bracket racing.. winners will take home gifts, etc)... I may attend it (pending the weather)... run what ya brung... just a fun eveng is planned.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/16/13 03:32 PM
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As the article says here: "Decisions, Decisions... So, what would we choose: the Boss 302 or the 2013 Shelby GT500? It's a tough call because they are very different cars. The Boss is for road racing, a pure delight with its lighter weight, shorter gearing and more pointable nature. But the GT500, with its cockpit-adjustable dampers and new launch control software, is super impressive in its reasonable price (given its power) and its ability to wear three hats well—that of "Dragstrip King, Road Course Warrior and Boulevard Cruiser," in the words of Steve Ling, the SVT Marketing Manager. And with only about 4000 Shelby GT500s expected to be sold per year, why not buy the most potent Mustang you can buy?" Speed/fun costs lots of $$... Just how fast do we want to go?... and how much fun do we want to have? Sell the farm and go have some fun!     
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Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/17/13 08:10 AM
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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.
Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more. 
TurboMike no disrespect meant at all.
You brought up your resume now see what Mr. Angry has to say about the new Mustang above. Mr. Angry is about as Mopar as you can get as well see his site : http://www.mrangryinc.com/
My resume is not as impressive as Mr Angry's but I have been a Mopar owner since my first /6 Duster in the early eighties, Challengers, Cudas, Dart GT's a complete laundry list of Cummins powered trucks.
The New Challenger is the fat muscle car on the block, 4100#. It will never handle like the Mustang GT Track Pack car, which in my opinion is currently the best bang for the buck in this segment. This is the handling section we are not just interested in 1/4 mile times.
Have fun and enjoy the site.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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Boss 302 Mustang vs. Challenger  Too funny. I remember the 1970 Boss 302 Mustang sent the 1970 T/A Challenger home with it's tails between it's legs during the 1970 Trans Am series...Back then the sales guys at Ford had it right in making ALL the Boss 302 Mustangs sold to the public manual transmissions...like they should be. Now we're comparing the 2 again with the obvious winner on the road course track being the Boss 302 Mustang....nothing has changed.  
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/17/13 04:56 PM
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An opinion? No posts needed, you came here with one.
But you see, it wasn't your opinion, it was your comment about other people's opinions not being appropriate here. You want what you won't tolerate in others, freedom to express your opinion.
You don't like Mustangs, fine I don't care it's your opinion and you should not care that others do. But I doubt you see the difference.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/17/13 07:41 PM
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It is so simple. If you don't want to have an intelligent conversation about modern pony cars. Don't click on a post titled as such. Pass it by we don't mind. I actually have a hard time understanding why some would mind that we would debate this and make decisions that might fit our own personal needs more appropriately than a three year build on a classic Mopar. I don't mind if you do, why do you mind if I don't. This post is for all the posters that offered no content other than to ridicule the people that would consider anything other than a Challenger or a classic Mopar. Just pass it by, you're not helping anyone or changing anyone's mind.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/17/13 09:17 PM
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Just got back in from giving the potential buyer of the 508 engine that is currently in my 72 Road Runner a little test drive of the bullet......so "I guess I'm a dreamer"... The 72 I have currently is what most people on Moparts here would consider a well handling classic Mopar. I completely rebuilt the front end back in 2000 with a Firm Feel 2 steering box,factory big block torsion bars, KYB shocks, A body 10.5" disc brakes with Firm Feel brake pads front and in the 11" drums in the rear. The car still has its factory front and rear sway bars, saginaw pump with factory cooler. Last year I went further into the handling capabilities of the car by installing a set of two left side XHD leafs with the Firm Feel adjustable front hangar installing the leafs in the 1" lowered position. 2.94 sure grip and 16 x 8 Vintage Wheel Works V48s with 255/50R16 BF Goodrich Comp 2's with a matching spare too boot for those long drives....like down to Champaign and back for the one leg of the Power Tour last year. For what the car is it is actually starting to handle well. In order to make the car all 4000#'s of it handle the way I wanted to the considerations for weight savings had to be part of the equation. Fiberglass AAR Cuda hood.....yes an AAR hood fits on a 71 to 72 B body sans its a little short but that is not a problem for us dreamers....  The cost of the hood alone is pretty hefty, like almost the cost of the Brembo Brake option on a new Mustang......  Good parts cost good money and the total was more than I wanted to add to the initial cost of a 72 Air Grabber equipped Road Runner which is already more than half the money of a new Mustang...... I would actually have invested more time and cash into the Road Runner and still not have a car as capable, as a new Challenger with all its weight and skinny tires. But then again I'm a dreamer........... 
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