More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 03:45 PM
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I was cruising down the road today at about 55 mph on my way home from my brothers house which is in Elkton Md and I live in Parkville which is about a 45 mile drive. Temp was about 85 and all the sudden the car died. Fuel pump got real quiet and I could not hardly hear it with the key on eng off. This has happened before when the fuel boiled in the carb so I wait about 3 or 4 minutes and then the pump starts making its normal noise so I hold it on the floor and the car starts and runs fine. I drive about 5 miles with the electric fan off so it wont throw more heat at the carb as it was running good at 185 on just the normal eng mechanical stock type fan. I go to 7-11 and fill the cool can with ice and drove the next 30 some miles home with no problems. It fooled me as the eng was only running about 185 but yet the carb got hot enough to boil the cheap pump fuel. Its the first time this year I have had any trouble. I built this to run on pump so I could pull in any gas station and get gas. I have a few of these gel ice packs so my plan is to keep a few of them in my small cooler on ice in my trunk so if I get stuck on a hot day I will just open my trunk and put one of the ice packs in my cool can. It seem to be like going back to the 70's with a cool can but it helps keep the fuel cooler which is important if you run this cheap pump gas with to much ethanal in it. As long as I keep the fuel cool with the cool can it is fine. Cant think of much else to do other then ice in the cool can as I already have a heat shield and I use a 1" phenolic spacer. The worst thing is the eng is not running to hot when this happenes as it just seems to be holding alot of heat under the hood making the carb bowls to hot to touch. I really dont want to have a cool can on my car as I stopped using them in the 70's at the race track but the cool can seems to be one fix that does work if you run pump gas. I hate to pay over $10. dollars a gallon just to run race fuel in my street car. Oh and I had some kid in a Suburo WRX try to race me from a 60 mph roll cruising down the road. I only had room for a quick burst just to show him that by just nailing the gas and leaving the car in high gear the old muscle will pull away from his turbo car. Course we never went over about 75 mph as I am sure that turbo car has a bit more top end then I do with my gearing. Ron
Last edited by 383man; 07/29/13 03:47 PM.
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/29/13 03:54 PM
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In my many years of driving and living in Pa I got BAD gas 3 times in my life. Once was at my local Amico gas dealer and 2 times it happened between the Bay Bridge and Ocean City in Md. Do they check their gas very often in that state?
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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07/29/13 04:01 PM
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Hey Ron, What about running a 160 stat and/or wrapping your headers to keep temps down? It sucks, they keep changing things more and more because their research shows stuff to be backwards compatible, but it isn't.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 04:47 PM
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Have you tried or do you use a wood/phenolic carb spacer? I've always ran a 1/2" wood laminate spacer and it does help alot.
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 04:56 PM
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I actually use a phenolic spacer but I have heard the wooden one could be better. So I might try and go to a wooden one. I have also thought about going with a return line. I mean I have run Holley pumps and deadhead systems since 1974 and never had a problem. But we had much better pump gas until now also. I was thinking about taking my filler neck out and drilling a hole in it and then braze a nipple on it so I can make a return line setup as I have the regulator for a return line. I use the stock gas tank and thats why I was thinking of removing my filler neck so I could wash it down with water and then drill and braze it for a return line nipple as I surely wont drill on the tank as I would have to remove the stock tank to put a return line nipple in it. It should work fine if I put it in the filler neck down low where the filler neck goes into the stock tank. But until then I will be putting ice packs and ice cubes in the cool can on hot days. Its funny as I have been out on hotter more humid days this year with no trouble but I had not gone 40 some miles as most were cruises within 10 miles. Ron
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 04:58 PM
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a return style fuel system is the only sure fire way to cure it. I have tried everything many years ago and what spawned my obsession with tunnel rams
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/29/13 05:11 PM
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At 55 mph you are moving enough fuel so it shouldnt be boiling... you might want to look at the fuel line routing and see if its in contact with the block or any other heat source.. when I worked on the fuel boiling issue on production Chrysler cars, we would see it boil out the bowls and dump raw fuel down the intake while in a hot soak(engine off) and as soon as the engine fire up and the driver would try a hard acceleration it would stumble and/or die...and after about 20 to 30 seconds it got enough fuel passing into the bowls to cool them off so it wouldnt boil it.. then it drove fine... so driving at 55 it shouldnt have been the boiling issue BUT you could have a pump issue... do you run a return line with a vapor separator near the carb
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 05:18 PM
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Its definetly the fuel boiling as it has happened to a number of cars around here and I saw the fuel boiling out the vents. When it happens you have to hold the pedal on the floor to start it just like starting a flooded vehicle. Never had this problem until last year. Its the pump gas fuel they have around here. It would be cool if I can figure out how to keep the under hood temps down. I really did not want to rap my headers but it may help as suggested. Ron
If you run a electric fan you can set it up to run after you shut down the engine.. we had to do this on the production cars... fan is on a timer that ran about 8 minutes to blow the under hood heat out during the highest temp times after the engine is shut off.. OR you can put louvers in the hood to let heat out
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/29/13 05:30 PM
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It doesn't take much airflow to help out with vapor lock. My radiator sits back from the core support about 1" because its a crappy universal deal. I sealed that gap up last year before drag week and it helped a small cooling problem I had but caused a vapor lock. By opening just the top gap up it allowed enough air to the carb to keep the vapor lock out and fix my highway cooling problem. Its funny how much air moves through that small gap, my air filter had bugs and crap on the front after drag week last year, my car doesn't have a scoop.
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/29/13 06:42 PM
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Its definetly the fuel boiling as it has happened to a number of cars around here and I saw the fuel boiling out the vents. When it happens you have to hold the pedal on the floor to start it just like starting a flooded vehicle. Never had this problem until last year. Its the pump gas fuel they have around here. It would be cool if I can figure out how to keep the under hood temps down. I really did not want to rap my headers but it may help as suggested. Ron
If you run a electric fan you can set it up to run after you shut down the engine.. we had to do this on the production cars... fan is on a timer that ran about 8 minutes to blow the under hood heat out during the highest temp times after the engine is shut off.. OR you can put louvers in the hood to let heat out
I worked at a Dodge dealer when we had the front drive Chargers and Omni's with the fans that ran after the eng was shut down. Boy did we replace alot of batteries back then and fan relay temp sensors when they would stick and the fan would run until the battery went dead. So many custumers would complain that something was wrong with their fan as they did not know the fan was supossed to run after the key was turned off at certain temps. Ron
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