Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
[Re: gofish]
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07/25/13 04:08 PM
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We all know the real driver in this instance is down time and the track's expense of clean up, safety is secondary to the track owner.
On the other hand, I have to wonder why guys continually put money into their cars to go faster but squeal when it comes to spending money on the required safety gear. As has been said, speed costs.
Personally, I never had a car fast enough to even require a roll bar, but I had one anyway. I also added several other safety features that were required for faster cars, partly to be safe and partly to be ready in case I ever found enough funds to go faster. I never got caught up in the need to be the fastest car on the track or in my class. I actually took perverse pleasure in leaving several seconds ahead of some of my competition, it was amazing how hard it was for them to not redlight in those circumstances.
Danny
Me personally I loved chasing down the slower cars. I had the whole race in front of me. As for the diaper, my car is getting one before it goes out again.
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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07/25/13 06:50 PM
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On the other hand, I have to wonder why guys continually put money into their cars to go faster but squeal when it comes to spending money on the required safety gear. As has been said, speed costs. Danny
I'm one that squeals then... the damn NHRA keeps changing the rules when they need something.. when I built my car.. it certed to 7.50... a couple years later they changed the rules and its now a 8.50 cert car... now its a diaper and header tethers, locking dip sticks when is gonna stops... If the guys want to play the "WHAT IF" game then we would be swamped in rules... maybe we should put turn signals back on them.. Force cut off Capps and hung up his chute... there are so many what ifs that it would put any little guy out of racing... thats why I'm selling the race car and I'll go back to running 10.0 and slower in a street car
Most of the ones that love those rules don't have a car fast enough to have to buy all that crap every time they want to change or add something,and the others are the ones who can't win,and are looking for any way to decrease the car count hoping then they will have a chance!I have 2 T/D Big $$$ Bracket Race dragster's and both will run in the 6's in the 1/4 mile all motor,an the Red one has a 500 horse-power NOS an the Black has a 3 stage NOS!Its my $$$ and lots of it that built these cars and I drive them,I know what they need and don't need!And as long as there are plenty of tracks to race at that don't enforce these rules I'm not gonna spend my $$$ on that unnessary crap!I like to spend my $$$ racing,not letting the car sit while I have to save up $$$ to buy things!
PS Look at how many people on here after spending all the $$$ and time to build their cars,are having to slow them down and some just giving up selling their cars simply because they just can not afford to keep jumping through hoops with all the new rules an rule changes. These people that spent all that $$$ are not Stoopid,they did not build un-safe cars! There is just NO WAY thats a good thing for the sport of Drag-Racing!
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/25/13 09:24 PM
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Me personally I loved chasing down the slower cars. I had the whole race in front of me. As for the diaper, my car is getting one before it goes out again.
.....for the GEEtarGuy ... they should make THREE diff type "Depends" ... engine, trans and 'vert-hubs ....
I will have one on my stuff ... sure don't want to oil-the-tires at 140 or so .....
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/25/13 11:11 PM
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First of all: I have blown an engine, and oiled my slicks at 141 mph. I didn't crash, because I've driven on ice and snow, and I know how to control a vehicle! The single most dangerous thing on America's Drag Strips are inexperienced and incompetent drivers, Period!
2nd: The cost of the diaper is irrelevant. It's the fitment problems on a K-member car, and being forced to remove it to do routine maintenance.
I have since sold my back halved car, and picked up a strut front car, I also replaced the K in my Valiant with a tubular design, which, along with the fenderwell exit headers, make the catch pan underneath a viable option on both cars. Two things you will never see on a car of mine, is a diaper, or a trans blanket, heat sinks are not my cup o' tea.
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/26/13 02:34 AM
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hear HEAR ! ....and MoparBilly ...show us your pan-plans ...
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/26/13 02:59 AM
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Entries permitted to use a NHRA accepted composite lower engine oil-retention device and belly pan. The belly pan must be constructed of NHRA accepted composite material with vertical folded-up walls, at least 4-inches tall. minimum .032-inch steel, .060-inch aluminum, or carbon fiber and Pan must extend from framerail to framerail and extend from forward of the front motor plate harmonic balancer or lower pulley and to the rear of the engine block. and must incorporate a minimum 2-inch vertical folded-up walls lip on all sides. Minimum number of slots or holes in the walls to clear frame, steering, or lines permitted. Front and rear walls must be “coved” toward oil pan a minimum of 1/2-inch to assist oil in staying within the confines of the oil-retention device. Pan must be attached with a minimum of three attachment points per side. Nonflammable, oil absorbent liner is mandatory inside of belly pan.
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/26/13 10:01 AM
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If I was running a track and wanted to try and get racers to run a diaper, I would provide an incentive for them I.E. entry fee for “Pro” $65, or $60 with a diaper. That way a guy who runs once or twice a year can still race and have fun. If a racer runs more then that he has a incentive to get it on his car ASAP.
Joe
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/26/13 12:33 PM
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If I was running a track and wanted to try and get racers to run a diaper, I would provide an incentive for them I.E. entry fee for “Pro” $65, or $60 with a diaper. That way a guy who runs once or twice a year can still race and have fun. If a racer runs more then that he has a incentive to get it on his car ASAP.
Joe
This is the best idea yet!
I still don't see how it will really benefit a car with a drag-link anyway... I would like to run one, but there would be a giant hole in it!!
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
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07/26/13 12:54 PM
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IMHO diaper rules makes some sense, much more so than 2 year belts, ect, all the things where your buying new stuuf when you allready have one thats still good. Dont live there anymore but couple years back Salt Lake City Rocky Mountain Raceways put in a diaper rule, all cars 10.99 or quicker, we were all pretty upset about it, couple of guys either quit running there, some just quit. The rest of us bought cheap diapers. Mine had the hole in the side velcro strapped above the link. I never needed mine, luckily, but I just raced there 2 years after the rule went into effect. But it did improve the overall racing. The oil cleanups went down quite a bit, didnt have near as many of the whole damn track ones. Cost me and everyone else a couple hundred bucks, but overall have decided it was a good deal. The RMR track crew was never known for fast cleanups, even though they had decent equipment, but it helped cut that issue, and had to help the guys who lost an engine on the top end. I did see one of the mopar diapers with the drag link hole contain a rod through the pan pretty well, think thats one time that they did maybe get it right.
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Re: Track rules - could hurt car count
[Re: MoparBilly]
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07/26/13 12:58 PM
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First of all: I have blown an engine, and oiled my slicks at 141 mph. I didn't crash, because I've driven on ice and snow, and I know how to control a vehicle! The single most dangerous thing on America's Drag Strips are inexperienced and incompetent drivers, Period!
2nd: The cost of the diaper is irrelevant. It's the fitment problems on a K-member car, and being forced to remove it to do routine maintenance.
I have since sold my back halved car, and picked up a strut front car, I also replaced the K in my Valiant with a tubular design, which, along with the fenderwell exit headers, make the catch pan underneath a viable option on both cars. Two things you will never see on a car of mine, is a diaper, or a trans blanket, heat sinks are not my cup o' tea.
If you find many things in life to be a "no-brainer", then the fact is you aren't using your brain. Nothing is that simple, except the person that thinks it is.
Billy...I lived in Buffalo NY for 42 yrs...I think I'm qualified for the ice and snow thing. Sometimes it happens so quickly there is no way out no matter how experienced a driver you are. I was just lucky I kept the front clip off the rail. I would suggest spending the cash to everyone..for safety and for clean-up time.
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