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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the street?
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Also, don't forget that you need to invest the time or money to check and adjust the fit/mating of the scattershield to the engine. I've had two of them on my 4-speed cars and they were both way off. Had to use both shims and offset dowels to get them lined up correctly. It's more difficult to do with the engine in the car too.
There is also the liablitity and guilt you would incure if a passenger was injured. Just think if an attorney ever found this post after you ended up with an explosion that cost your passenger, perhaps your child, a limb because you choose not to run one. Knowing the risks, you could be in a little trouble now that we have blood-sucking lawyers running every branch of the country.
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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the street?
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Also, don't forget that you need to invest the time or money to check and adjust the fit/mating of the scattershield to the engine. I've had two of them on my 4-speed cars and they were both way off. Had to use both shims and offset dowels to get them lined up correctly. It's more difficult to do with the engine in the car too.
There is also the liablitity and guilt you would incure if a passenger was injured. Just think if an attorney ever found this post after you ended up with an explosion that cost your passenger, perhaps your child, a limb because you choose not to run one. Knowing the risks, you could be in a little trouble now that we have blood-sucking lawyers running every branch of the country.
From an attorneys point of view that's a just plain
stupid comment. If your comment held any validity
they would be installed from the factory.
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the stre
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Dang, y'all have given me a lot to think about.  A good friend of mine used to have a '65 Comet Sprint with a high winding, solid cam, 289 and a four speed. He did a 5 grand clutch dump and the clutch came apart. It blew holes in the cowl, took out his master cylinder, broke both valve covers, flattened the headers against the frame rails, but did not come through the floor. He was running a stock clutch. I've heard too many bad stories of trying to get the scattershield lined up with the crank. However, I think I am beginning to lean toward getting a scattershield. This swap is beginning to get more expensive. Does anybody have experience with installing a scattershield in a four speed A-body with TTI headers?
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the street?
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From an attorneys point of view that a just plain
stupid comment. If your comment held any validity
they would be installed from the factory.
Perhaps a little work on you grammar, logic and manners would help you make your case, but this vehicle has been modified beyond the factory specifications by an owner who has documented knowledge that his modifications have been known to cause catastrophic failures in the original equiptment. That makes him liable. Period. 
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the stre
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the street?
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11/09/08 02:04 PM
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From an attorneys point of view that a just plain
stupid comment. If your comment held any validity
they would be installed from the factory.
Perhaps a little work on you grammar, logic and manners would help you make your case, but this vehicle has been modified beyond the factory specifications by an owner who has documented knowledge that his modifications have been known to cause catastrophic failures in the original equiptment. That makes him liable. Period.
It's obvious you have no legal education at all,
post all you want. There is no case.
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the stre
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11/09/08 02:59 PM
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So all of those musclecars on the road today with pumped small blocks and heavy hitting big blocks with 4spds you guys think are unsafe without a heavy pain in the butt scattershield? I guess the same could be said about all those automatic transmission cars behind high hp motors without a shield????
I havent weighed them, but I have had booth the lakewood shield and a 2626 11" bellhousing in the garage at the same time, and I'd hav to say the factory iron bell was heavier. Sure 10.5" aluminum bells are alot lighter, but it doenst help much if you have the 11" set up already. I think if your clutch does explode and you have an aluminum bellhousing, the carnage could be much worse as I cant see the aluminum holding anthing in better than a factory iron bell.
High HP automatic cars do use shields and blankets to protect the car/driver. Lots of pics on this forum with blown up 727 front drums.
Going off memory here, what does the NHRA say about shields? If youre running under a certain ET... I think its 12 seconds and faster current SFI shield is required.. Slicks may factor into that as well, but my memory is fuzzy, and anyone can look it up.
MY Rule of thumb, 12 second car, with slicks/drag radials/performance tires,.....get a shield.
Besides.....you know youll always want to go faster. 
I used to care but....... things have changed
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the stre
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11/09/08 06:25 PM
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Dang, y'all have given me a lot to think about.
A good friend of mine used to have a '65 Comet Sprint with a high winding, solid cam, 289 and a four speed.
He did a 5 grand clutch dump and the clutch came apart. It blew holes in the cowl, took out his master cylinder, broke both valve covers, flattened the headers against the frame rails, but did not come through the floor.
He was running a stock clutch.
I've heard too many bad stories of trying to get the scattershield lined up with the crank.
However, I think I am beginning to lean toward getting a scattershield.
This swap is beginning to get more expensive.
Does anybody have experience with installing a scattershield in a four speed A-body with TTI headers?
You might want to call TTI and ask them, it made a difference in my 65 Coronet when I ordered my TTI's, their tech rep wanted to know what bell housing I planned on using. my car is a 440, Jerico, Lakewood set up.
Good Luck!!, it will be fun.
Joey
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Re: 4 speed cars...who runs a scattershield on the street?
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11/09/08 07:57 PM
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It's Wapner.....
LMAO......No, spelling error. It's Judge Wopper alright!
Not if you are referring to the Peoples Court judge Joseph Wapner.
Also, your comma is misplaced in your sentence.
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Now for those of you that have checked this that is almost perfect out of the box 
Now you could run that with no problem at all.Jamie Passon has looked at one and there are a few clutch pivot issues on the E-body.Call him to find out what the issues were.
