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Re: piston selection help?
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07/15/13 01:24 PM
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Just to clear up a couple of points.....
The original 440 strokers used the 4.15 crank, LY rods and 400 pistons. That's from back in the day when any real 440 stroker pistons would have been custom and $$$$$.
Lots of engines were built that way.
Lots of sets of LY rods have been into the 10s. I bet lots of cast pistons, too.
So I don't think you got less than what you were told. It sounds like a pretty nice street engine to me.
Did he specifically tell you the engine had aftermarket forged pistons or rods? I bet you ASSUMED that, because that's how most strokers are built nowadays. I also bet you haggled on the price.
The main reason for cracked piston ring lands is improper assembly of piston into block. It's a workmanship problem, not a material problem.
R.
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Re: piston selection help?
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How many miles did you put on it??? So 7400 all together or 5000 to 6000 with victor heads.  Check the rings for butting it's such a low buck build probably not balanced and may have put + .060 rings in maybe that's whats pulling the pistons apart. cross hatching still on the cylinder walls. did it have steel or composition gaskets.
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Re: piston selection help?
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07/15/13 05:46 PM
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Pictures of everything lots of pictures?
ill try and get some pics today and ill post it later
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Re: piston selection help?
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wow 2 miles either it was well used or something else hear?? Check the ends of the top to rings to see if they butted?? They will show shiny polished look if they did should be able to see. any scrapping on the cylinder walls?? Are they real edelbrock heads or the Chinese I'm a knock offs?? all the cam lobes look OK?? Hydraulic and way to measure it take it out and measure the width and the hieght of the lobes difference may tell you a bit
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Re: piston selection help?
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Make sure you check them top rings for butting! what kind of troubles was it giving you? If that's all you did everything should still look brand new.
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Re: piston selection help?
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Wow I think I would go right back to who u bought it from, And do a custom stroked out kit on his head!!  I wouldn't do anything else to it, and try like hell to get your money back!! I hate hearing stories like this. 
I agree and here's the kicker ,he's a long time friend . I do plan to confront him but I know what the results will be.....stay tuned for future events
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Re: piston selection help?
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Wow I think I would go right back to who u bought it from, And do a custom stroked out kit on his head!! I wouldn't do anything else to it, and try like hell to get your money back!! I hate hearing stories like this.
I agree and here's the kicker ,he's a long time friend . I do plan to confront him but I know what the results will be.....stay tuned for future events
I wouldn't CONFRONT him , I would go there and TALK to him and find out what he is going to do to make it right .
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Re: piston selection help?
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Gotta agree with JohnRR, the best approach is to park your emotions at the door. Be as calm as possible, say things like, "We've got a problem and I wondering what you are going to do to make it right." Also, and this is important, know what you want and can reasonably get as a remedy. You for sure need new pistons, as some have cracked oil ring lands by your description. You need to find out how the engine was assembled. Were the rods gone through with new rod bolts? Was it balanced? Stuff like that. Know some ballpark prices for parts, like you'd find in a 440Source catalog. And keep the personal invective out of it. He (and you) may well know that he's a lyin' piece of s@#$ but you don't need to tell him. That won't get the job any closer to done. I know how hard this is, I haven't been the best at following my own advice. But it seems that when I do, it turns out better. R.
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Re: piston selection help?
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If they are edelbrock victor heads the springs, keepers and retainers have to be purchased and installed later. The keepers pulling through the retainer would seem indicative of Cheap Chinese parts and or springs going to coil bind and that causing the damage. Your lucky a valve never dropped or snapped the stem off and thus dropping anyways. I think you have lots of checking and work to do to make things right you may as well start with premium rods and pistons hone balance and go from there. 
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Re: piston selection help?
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I think I would just plain ask him for my money back, and he can have his engine back.
It's Swifty! Swifty, you toad sucker!
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Re: piston selection help?
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Wow I think I would go right back to who u bought it from, And do a custom stroked out kit on his head!! I wouldn't do anything else to it, and try like hell to get your money back!! I hate hearing stories like this.
I agree and here's the kicker ,he's a long time friend . I do plan to confront him but I know what the results will be.....stay tuned for future events
I wouldn't CONFRONT him , I would go there and TALK to him and find out what he is going to do to make it right .
when i said confront i didnt mean in an agressive manner i ment bring it to his attention to let him know what has transpired 
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Your best bet is to contact 440 Source and see if they can help you on getting some decent pistons for your deal 
I'm just waiting to hear the rest of the story.
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