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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447173
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You doggone right it's a good deal. Not as good as a free Edelbrock Quadrajet, but it's getting right up there!

If I ever get some $ put together, I'll spring for shipping for bigblock mounts for Sweptline, I still have most of the parts for my "longterm stroker" lying around.

Found a guy in Tempe who does custom cranks, anyone here use Kadrie?

Anyone got a set of porting templates? Looks like either 213s or 906s if I do bigblock.

Gotta get the '64Dog on the road with smallblock power first, though!

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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447174
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it seems it decoded as a NVG 4500 92-93 D body

v-8 hydro bell/clutchfork/trans/shifter/yoke for 400$ 90day warranty. good deal??

sure better than the 800$ pink elephant with a gold nugget shifter a535 5 speed

going back for a rust free 91 d-100 cab to replace the daily driver 85 rust bucket.




So you ended up with a NV4500 trans? If so killer deal........I wouldn't mind having one for my RC.


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447175
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it seems it decoded as a NVG 4500 92-93 D body

v-8 hydro bell/clutchfork/trans/shifter/yoke for 400$ 90day warranty. good deal??

sure better than the 800$ pink elephant with a gold nugget shifter a535 5 speed

going back for a rust free 91 d-100 cab to replace the daily driver 85 rust bucket.




$400? that's a steal....

it's not really a performance transmission, if that was what you're looking for...first will still be next to useless, and they're not the fastest shifting beasts...


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: patrick] #1447176
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if the junk yard drained that tranny it is going to take a special synthetic fluid made by GM and mopar---it costs $20 a quart---if you use any other fluid your carbonfiber syncros will fall apart and it will cost about $120 for new syncros plus the labor--then you will have to put in $100 of fluid again--the nv4500 is about as strong a tranny as you will find--the only criticism being the harmonics of a cummins diesel coupled with guys that lug big loads (cummins) in 5th gear--then whine about it falling apart---GM has had great success using this trans behind gas motors...bob

Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: savoy64] #1447177
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I was reading about the fluid needed but 20$ a quart? 1004 to refill!

well gone to far now to skimp on the fluid it needs.

from what I can tell this is the early one with the syncronized 1st & revs gears.

light duty with a 19 spline input shaft/727 out put shaft/yoke.

may have a 1st gear thats not as low as the standerd duty/heavy duty 4500..from what I have read anyways.

I suppose I can count the turns of the input to turns of the output to see what the 1st gear ratio is?...correct?

wish I knew what gear was behind it for a correct speedo tooth count. it had 37 tooth short pinion/speed sensor housing that i swaped to the 36 tooth gear/727 housing that I would use with 727-3.91-325/50/15

but need to figure in the OD 5 th gear???

anyone do the math??

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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447178
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The speedo drive gear on the output shaft is after any OD gearing so the pinion calculations will be the same as a 1-1 top gear trans.

Look in the hole where the adapter fits and mark one drive gear tooth with a grease pencil, then turn the output shaft and count the number of drive gear teeth.


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1447179
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It's no car transmission, but it shifts a heck of a lot better than an SM 465 or my NP420 or the NP435 behind the 400 in my $500 ford truck.

It's a brute of a transmission. don't drop it on your foot!

The links I sent you have the three recommended transmission fluids, possibly they can be mail ordered?

I looked at the gear splits and for my purposes an NP445 or NP4530 would work better. Running 3.23s and a 32" rear tire I do not need overdrive, but it would be useful to be able to drop a gear and not have the engine screaming along at 4500rpm.

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if you google---- jeep dodge speedo gears---there is a site with the speedo gear calculations for most axle ratios....bob

Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: savoy64] #1447181
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check fifthgearrepair.com for the simplest/cheapest way to fix the fifth gear---it is a simple process that an average mechanic can do in less than one hour---the only failures i have heard about are cummins powered units where the tranny is lugged under load in fifth gear--chev 454 and dodge V10 ones dont have the 5th gear issue so i wouldnt suspect your motor will take it down...bob

Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: savoy64] #1447182
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check fifthgearrepair.com for the simplest/cheapest way to fix the fifth gear---it is a simple process that an average mechanic can do in less than one hour---the only failures i have heard about are cummins powered units where the tranny is lugged under load in fifth gear--chev 454 and dodge V10 ones dont have the 5th gear issue so i wouldnt suspect your motor will take it down...bob




I agree, i have read the same thing on the 4500HD lugging/diesel/v-10/4x4 5th gear loss.

I read the 5thgearrepair link and it seems to be for the 4500HD 4x4 10/31 input/output spline only.

I am hoping the 4500LD = light duty with a 19 spline input and a 29 or 30 spline output.(I need to count output,I counted the input )

it decodes to a 3.9/5.2/5.9 gas engine so it may be good to go with no problems, it is low milage under 100,000.

Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447183
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2 guys garage had a show on how to fix the cummins 5th gear nut and they had plenty of time for 20 minutes of commercials....bob

Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: savoy64] #1447184
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My truck has an nv4500, mine shifts very smooth. It's not a short throw like a car, but other than some newer 6 speed trucks I drove... it's the smooth shifting trans I ever shifted.

On the fluid, I'd stick with the factory stuff. Amsoil I believe makes a substitute, but to save 4-5 bucks a quart, think I'd pass. Some places offer the factory style stuff in gallons for much cheaper... but never seem to have any on stock.


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: Silver70] #1447185
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got pics of the shifter end for a a535 trans. whoo hooo!

member shortbed88 has a complete D-100 hydro clutch a535 set up, he was nice enuff to pull the shifter and get me pics.

this is a gold nugget shifter if anyone finds one.

the flats on the side of the ball with no plastic cup sets it apart, it has a thin middle rail 3-4 gear 1-2 ans r-5 gears are the bigger lugs on either side of 3-4 rail.

pics are worth a 1000 words when it come to this sort of thing. not many have heard of the a535 much less seen or worked on one.


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447189
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i'm working on it. maybe i'll pull the right one, this time.


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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1447190
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I scored a 4500 back as well. Was put behind a V6 in an '88 I had. Are there any other non-hydro bells it will bolt up to? I got the hydro bell and slave set but my '78 Club Shortbox I got back will need the mech. linkage.


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