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Re: truck 5 speeds? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1447153
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mine musta been the 535, my shifter mount didn't look like that


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mine musta been the 535, my shifter mount didn't look like that




i thought that also, but you never know when someone might have swaped it out as the 535 seems to be the pink elephant with a gold nugget shifter.

I was looking real hard at the dak ax-15 which seems to be plentiful and cheaper in the u-pull but to new to hook up the speedo cable in the 88 truck. but still would make a nice swap if you dont mind the speedo and xmember fabbing.

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scrthn--that tranny is a 3550--means it is a 3500 with a removable bellhousing----chevy has run the 3500 (cast on bell) behind 350 powered trucks for years without any giant problems---but problems will arrise if you think it is for drag racing or other abuse ----i have picked off 2 of them recently at pickaparts for less than $120/each out of 97-98 dakotas....bob

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scrthn--that tranny is a 3550--means it is a 3500 with a removable bellhousing----chevy has run the 3500 (cast on bell) behind 350 powered trucks for years without any giant problems---but problems will arrise if you think it is for drag racing or other abuse ----i have picked off 2 of them recently at pickaparts for less than $120/each out of 97-98 dakotas....bob




thanks for that info on it, I was not sure what it is called.

no drag racing with it just cruzing.

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Had a chance to drive a five speed Chevy one ton today I think the transmission is a Getrag. It's synchronized in all five gears easy slick shifting what a difference from my NP 420!

R.




what year chevy? AFAIK they all had NVG4500's...


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shifter is MAI on all i find so far.

I check a ax-15 jeep 5 speed...close but no fit on the a535

I assume the 4cly will have a bell of its own and maybe the 4 speed trans listed may have the right shift lever.

looks like a boll on a shft then flats ground on both side to fit thru the 2 outer shift rail pawls

you can see it has to be thin to slide between the 2 square looking outer rail pawls to move the thin one in the middle






looking at the pictures and your description, that sounds like a NVG4500 shifter *might* work. can you give me the dimensions of the bolt pattern, and height from the mounting face to the rail socket?


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scrthn--that tranny is a 3550--means it is a 3500 with a removable bellhousing----chevy has run the 3500 (cast on bell) behind 350 powered trucks for years without any giant problems---but problems will arrise if you think it is for drag racing or other abuse ----i have picked off 2 of them recently at pickaparts for less than $120/each out of 97-98 dakotas....bob




I don't recall any sort of "3550" when I worked for the company that made the shifters for NVG, but of course, this tranny was before my time...I was there '97-05. but I've never seen a cast iron case 3500 variant, and that shifter doesn't look like the early 90's aluminum tower chevy NVG3500 shifters either....


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shifter is MAI on all i find so far.

I check a ax-15 jeep 5 speed...close but no fit on the a535

I assume the 4cly will have a bell of its own and maybe the 4 speed trans listed may have the right shift lever.

looks like a boll on a shft then flats ground on both side to fit thru the 2 outer shift rail pawls

you can see it has to be thin to slide between the 2 square looking outer rail pawls to move the thin one in the middle






looking at the pictures and your description, that sounds like a NVG4500 shifter *might* work. can you give me the dimensions of the bolt pattern, and height from the mounting face to the rail socket?




the mout bolt patteren is 4" across side to side and 3.5 front to back

from the top of the lug to top of shifter flange is 1 3/8" and about 2" to the bottom of the cup area.

I looked at a nv4500 and it has the flats like needed but if it fits is another story. to price to buy just to find out it dont.

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i should have looked at your pictures before my fingers took off---your tranny is a top loader and the 3500/3550 are not and i would check amazon/or summit for the shifter---- for my nv4500 i checked amazon and summit had one listed there---kinda funny....bob

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i should have looked at your pictures before my fingers took off---your tranny is a top loader and the 3500/3550 are not and i would check amazon/or summit for the shifter---- for my nv4500 i checked amazon and summit had one listed there---kinda funny....bob





seems the A535 is a pink elephant with a gold nugget shifter.

if i cant find a shifter for the 535 i am going with the bigger 5 speed i posted straped to the pallet.

those are 1/2 the price and replaced it in 92-up D-100/150/250/350 trucks that use the same removable bell for the v-6 & v-8 (from what I can tell anyways)

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i should have looked at your pictures before my fingers took off---your tranny is a top loader and the 3500/3550 are not and i would check amazon/or summit for the shifter---- for my nv4500 i checked amazon and summit had one listed there---kinda funny....bob




3500 is a top-load single rail.....


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Well, to jump backwards, the truck I drove is a 5-speed 1997 Chevy dually with Vortec 350 and the tranny is synchronized in all five gears. Also, First gear isn't as low as some I have driven, but it still workx better starting off in Second.

R.

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Well, to jump backwards, the truck I drove is a 5-speed 1997 Chevy dually with Vortec 350 and the tranny is synchronized in all five gears. Also, First gear isn't as low as some I have driven, but it still workx better starting off in Second.

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halfton would be an NVG3500, IIRC with a 4:1 first

3/4 ton would be an NVG4500, IIRC with a ~5.87:1 first


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i am not an expert but i believe a top loader is one where the gears are installed from the top cover plate----a shifter coming out the top is not what top loader means--- i got corrected when looking at a ford 390 with a 4 speed---the shifter lugs came out the side of the case just like a 833----but it had that big plate on top for installing the gears----but then maybe i am easily corrected....bob

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i am not an expert but i believe a top loader is one where the gears are installed from the top cover plate----a shifter coming out the top is not what top loader means--- i got corrected when looking at a ford 390 with a 4 speed---the shifter lugs came out the side of the case just like a 833----but it had that big plate on top for installing the gears----but then maybe i am easily corrected....bob




I've heard "top loader" referred to as an internal rail tranny where the shifter comes out the top....

I could be wrong, I guess...


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google top loader transmission---it shows a ford like i described saying it gave more case rigidity and allowed the gears to be place in from the top--went on to talk about some other similar designs...bob

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Good luck. If ya deal with them a lot and are on good terms, I'd say ya have a fair chance.
I will soon be on the hunt for a 5 speed to go behind the /6. Really want a close ratio car unit out of a t bird turbo coupe. That is where the turbo came from.....




ok,JY had trans for a week looking for a shifter, sent it to their rebuilder and still no luck finding one.

so I got a full refund and will be picking up the bigger 93 5 speed.

not sure what this one is?? i dont think it is a 3550..does not look like the 3500 i have looked at.

any one ID this one for sure?

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got the bigger 5 speed home.

has a tag with..

53006841

1500 D 03 18 93



is this a getrag 5 speed?

seems to have the lower 1st gear with 2 inspection/PTO covers on the sides.

on the fill tag it has *fill with 4637579* what fluid is that??

mopar dealer # ???


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Mopar manual transmission fluid.

See this link: http://dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/nv4500_spec.htm

If you stumbled onto a NV4500 wow!

R.

Checking out the other number, look at this link:
http://www.tellico4x4.com/nv4500-tech-label.php

A 2wd NV4500. If Patrick is right, and the dually I drove was anNV4500,, you will just LOVE it in your truck. It's light-years ahead of my NP420. I was thrown by the first-gear synchro, didn't remember that NV4500s are synchro into all forward gears. IIRC, the earlier Dodge NV4500s were also synchronized into reverse.
The only problem with this tranny is the 5th gear problem, look it up.
There is a fix, though.

R.

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it seems it decoded as a NVG 4500 92-93 D body

v-8 hydro bell/clutchfork/trans/shifter/yoke for 400$ 90day warranty. good deal??

sure better than the 800$ pink elephant with a gold nugget shifter a535 5 speed

going back for a rust free 91 d-100 cab to replace the daily driver 85 rust bucket.

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