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Prowler battery keeps going dead #1427375
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My dad bought his 2000 Prowler new. It now has 10,000 miles. The original battery died 2? years ago so he bought a new Mopar battery. The car sits during the winter but lately even if it sits a week or two, you can tell the battery is low, or it might not start at all. Once the car is started and driven, it will start just fine, even the next day.
Right now it's fully charged so we pulled the negative battery cable and ran a volt meter between the negative cable and negative post, 10 volt reading.
So we then took a reading from positive cable to positive post and got 12 volts. We kept the meter on and pulled each fuse individually to see if that would make a difference in the positive side readings, no change.
When pulling fuses, the driver door has to be open to access the fuseblock, so there could be a slight electric draw becase of the interior light.
Am I doing this check properly or is there some other way to see what might be draining the battery?
Or could he just have gotten a bad battery?
I let my Duster sit all winter with the battery connected and never have any trouble with it starting.
Thanks in advance for any advice.

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: Dave Watt] #1427376
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Take out the bulb from the interior dome light & as you know everything else shut off then take off a batt cable & hook the meter in series between a (either) cable & batt post & see (& post) what you get. On some of the late stuff taking off a cable means some of the electronics have to be reset & dont know if that's relevant here (on this) but just a heads up. Or do it at midnight & touch the cable back to the batt post & should be no spark if there's no (electrical)draw going on


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Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: RapidRobert] #1427377
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Something is draining the battery, so you are on the right track.
I know a LOT of late model Mopars have a memory fuse the factory left out to prevent this. It was installed at the dealer. It should be mentioned in the service manual and owner's manual. I'd start there.
Also, fully charge the battery and check it too. Some batteries just aren't great from the start.

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: RodStRace] #1427378
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I think you have to tape the door switch down.
not just pull the bulb.

you should also check for an under hood switch as well.

the car should sit 2 hours then check for amps not volts.

that doesn't mean it isn't a bad battery after 2 years of being drained.

I put a battery tender on my car because I don't drive it enough, or really short trips.

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: Andrewh] #1427379
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Thanks for the info so far guys.
We'll do a little more searching to see whats up, and maybe take the battery in for load testing.

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: Dave Watt] #1427380
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You want to check for a "parasitic draw". You need to check for amps/miliamps (NOT volts). Should be LESS than 50 miliamps (.050 amps) after sitting for 1/2 hour or more ( have to give time for the modules/network to go to sleep). Put fuses back, start car and run. Operate all accesories and then shut off, shut doors and re-test. PM me if you need more info/help about this procedure.

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Great info.
Do we disconnect battery, pull fuses, then put the meter on the positive terminal and cable?
We'll try that next time I'm over there.

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: Dave Watt] #1427382
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Put the fuses back in as you need everything energized to find the draw. I'd PM Pacifica to get the skinny on how to proceed


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Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: RapidRobert] #1427383
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I've always connected the ammeter between the battery and the cable, then after the computers go to sleep, start pulling fuses one by one until the draw goes away.

If you take them all out, then put them back in one by one, when you get to the ECUs you'll see a big load that may go away in a few minutes by itself.

I'd also manually close the door switch; some newer cars have them in the latch mechanism, so you just manually 'close' that from the outside.


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Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: pacifica] #1427384
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You want to check for a "parasitic draw". You need to check for amps/miliamps (NOT volts). Should be LESS than 50 miliamps (.050 amps) after sitting for 1/2 hour or more ( have to give time for the modules/network to go to sleep). Put fuses back, start car and run. Operate all accesories and then shut off, shut doors and re-test. PM me if you need more info/help about this procedure.





This man is 100% correct. You need to hook an ammetter in series with the battery cable (dont matter which cable when hooked in series) and check the draw down into milliamps as was said. A test lite or voltmeter wont read correctly or right hooked in series. I like to use my Fluke meter on the 10 amp scale so it will give a good reading of amps until it times down into milliamps. As was said you want about 50 milliamps or less and yes it can take up to 20 minutes for all the controllers to time out. And of course if it dont time down to less then 50 milliamps you start diagnosing by unhooking the circuits until you find it. Many techs have different ways they like to unhook the circuits but pulling the fuses is the easiest thing to start with. Ron

Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: 383man] #1427385
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Before going to all that trouble drive to any parts store and have the battery checked.They do it free.12 volts isnt a fully charged battery.Should be minimum 12.6 volts.Leaving new cars sit with batterys hooked up drains them no matter what.Cold weather will drain them even faster as the batt loses power in the cold.I did quick checks at work for drains.Just unhook the neg cable and hook my test light between the neg cable and neg post.No light or very dim its OK and no drain.I checked hundreds of systems like that.Rocky


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Re: Prowler battery keeps going dead [Re: Dave Watt] #1427386
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I let my Duster sit all winter with the battery connected and never have any trouble with it starting.
Thanks in advance for any advice.




Dave you really can't compare the duster to a new car , especially if the duster is stock. I don't think there is anything that has the need for memory and it continuously drawing power to maintain it.

I'd have the battery tested down at Vatozone and otherwise put a battery tender on it .

Also I agree with Alex , you need to look at current draw not voltage drop.

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The Duster does not have a computer that likes to have steady voltage to keep it from forgetting all it knows. Or an electronic transmission with adaptive shifting that is trying to remember how you drove it last. Or a radio that knows that 90.1 WFYI is your favorite station. They do not draw much current, in the micro amps, but they do draw.
A Harbor Frieght wall wart trickle charger is all you need.
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I've never owned a newer car that sat for more than a week, but does everyone have to put a trickle charger on a new Challenger or Viper that they only drive in the summer?

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the longest I have ever had a new car sit was 3 weeks.
it started, but you could tell it was having a hard time.

anything I drive less than 30 min to an hour at least 1 time a week gets a trickle charger on it.

though I have had my old car sit for nearly 2 months without one on it because I forgot. It did start up fine. but the only draws are the radio and efi computer.

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I've never owned a newer car that sat for more than a week, but does everyone have to put a trickle charger on a new Challenger or Viper that they only drive in the summer?




you would have to or the battery will be dead over the winter unless it is disconnected. I have a car in my garage on a battery tender and my truck should have been on one out in my driveway , battery is D E A D

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Even my 98 Harley will drain the battery if not on the tender.Its injected and stereo.If it sits thru the winter it wont start unless it gets charged.Now my tender keeps it up.My 58 gets on the tender also.Depending on the car some will draw a lot.Typically Caddys etc have memory for seat steering wheel etc.Just extra draw and most new cars have 2 computers drawing.Rocky


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With all these hypotheses , ive come to the conclusion
That Dad MUsT drive the car daily to keep the battery
Charged ...

Do you have a meter thatll measure current ? Is there an
Alarm system ?
Youre on the right tract ..

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As Pacifica said, current should be less that 50mA (.050Amps) test the current draw with a digital multimeter (DVM) start on the highest scale, usually 10Amps, and put it in series with one of the battery wires, make sure everything is off and the doors are shut. If it's too low to read switch to a lower scale. I've seen the "keep alive" currents on radios etc. go right out of sight on current draw. Other causes; Brake lights on, dome lights, hood lamps, dash switches on, I've seen them all. It's possible it's the alternator itself. Watch the current and pull fuses until it goes away. More than likely it's a device that is out of spec on current draw. Get the service manual and see what it says or talk with a Mopar tech.
You might want to take the car to a good vehicle electrical shop that does alternators and starters etc. they could diagnose the problem I'm sure.







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