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5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart #1425108
04/24/13 11:37 PM
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I came across a good deal on a low-mile 2001 5.9 Magnum engine.

I'd like to swap it into my 318 Dart, keeping the 5.9 EFI, serpentine system, A/C compressor, PS pump, and alternator. I'd also like to keep the 727 transmission that is in the car.

I've heard that I'll need to use a PS pump bracket from a Ram Van, not a problem.

I know the flexplate will need to be compatible with the 5.9. What flexplate and 727 converter can I use?

How do I make the ECU work while keeping the 727?

Will the swap require special motor mounts?

If I have correct hoses made, will the A/C compressor work with the stock 1971 A/C parts that are already in the car?

Are there any problems in using the 2001 alternator?

Would it be possible to keep the cruise control?

Car is strictly a fun cruiser, looking for dependability, a little more power than the 318, and better MPG.

Any help appreciated!

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Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425109
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use the Magnum flexplate with a non weighted convertor
Drivers side 360 motor mount
A/C should be fine
Do an Amp gauge bypass because the Denso puts out double what the amp gauge is rated for

Swap would probably go easier using a 92-4 Dak,92-95 Van & 92-4 Truck wiring harness using a AutoMeter Speed sensor/mechanical speedometer adapter

you should be able to keep the cruise

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425110
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The 318 is every bit capable of the 5.9 stock power. The swap is going to be expensive but very cool when done. I understand the good deal on the 5.9 and wanting to use it. I hate it when people tell me what to do but just an idea about the 318. I get around 325 hp out of my 318 and around 18 mpg when driving right in my 70 belvedere. I added intake, carb, elect ignition, good wires and plugs and it was not that much money. I have a 518 four speed trans and I am sure that is where the good mpg is coming from. I went .30 over when the block was at the machine shop. Good luck to you.

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425111
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if you mean keep the stock efi, it will depend on the computer if it is even possible without the transmission.
there is a sensor that mounts on the back of the motor that reads positioning of the crank through a notch in the transmision to the flexplate (I think that is what it is called).

if the computer is for a manual, I think you can use it.

I did the swap on a 65 coronet, but used aftermarket efi computer on the stock engine.

the alternator uses the built in VR in the computer, but you can wire it up like any normal 2 field alt.

b&m makes a flex plate for the 727 to magnum

Are you sure you have a 727? after 67, most 318's went to 904's.

if it is a 727, the neutral balanced converter will work with the b&m flex plate.

you will need a car 360 la pan.

and as you said a van power steering bracket/pump. or it will put the pump under the battery tray.

I was able to use the durnago exhaust manifolds as well.

power steering I had to get a new hose made and a/c lines made but that all hooked up as well and works just fine.

getting hoses to work was kind of a pain. found gmc truck had a hose that would work.

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425112
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I just did a 2001 5.9 w/ 90k miles swap on my '68 Barracuda. Full serpentine, still have to hook up A/C, narrow battery and modified battery tray, a 1998 Ram 2500 manual trans computer, full Summit exhaust w/ headers, stock 5.9 flexplate with a 727 from a member here, Milidon oil pan, Schumacher mounts, Surge tank, full-return style fuel sytem, US Radiator 4-core, SCT Tuner w/ Hemifever tunes, Hughes cam and springs, fully resealed the motor, modified the stock intake, upgraded injectors and a few other odds and ends.

It was a lot of work, but it's very much worth the effort! I'm running 3.23 suregrip and am going to upgrade to a 46RH with a lock-up converter some day.


1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: jbc426] #1425113
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Here's another shot showing the battery tray etc. The power steering hooked right up too. It runs strong, will smolder them out of first with little effort and barks second hard. Plus it gets better milage than my slant six did both around town and on the highway.


1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: jbc426] #1425114
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do you have a walk through on what you had to do to get the computer to work?

fully stock sensors? what about the second o2?

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: Andrewh] #1425115
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do you have a walk through on what you had to do to get the computer to work?

fully stock sensors? what about the second o2?




I bought a Hotrod harness form Hotwire Auto. It was not without a few issues, although frustrating they were relatively minor once I figured them out - a couple wires swaped on the Throttle Position Sensor and an open ground on the O2 heater circuit. The owner Chris tried to help, but because this swap is a bit dated compared to the modern Hemi swaps going on in full force right now, troubleshooting it was a little less fresh in his mind.

Overall, it's a good, nice-fitting and appearing product, and one of the sole options out there save the do-it-yourself approach. With the experience I gained, I would do my own next time but would have spent a lot more time at Pick & Pull sourcing connectors etc.

The sensors are all OE off the motor or out of Pick & Pull. Nothing special here. Be careful to mark your distributor before you yank it out. Fuel sync is an issue on these motors, and it can only be set by using an expensive scope or going to the dealer. I set mine at +4 with my cam.

The computer is from Solo PCMs in Florida. Great company, quick service and lifetime guarantee. They zero'd out the VIN, the milage and it had no key chip security, because of the year truck used.

Sean at Hemifever and his SCT Tuner is great. I recommend his tunes. The performance difference between the stock tune and the performance tune he sent me to take advantage of my non-stock computer friendly cam, injectors and intake & port matching mods is nothing short of amazing! It feels like over 50 hp difference.

I am using a single pre-cat oxygen sensor with a post-cat simulator. It works great.

This and the fuel system are the main hurdles in making the swap. Other than that, it's all basic wrenching and massaging parts.

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1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: jbc426] #1425116
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friend of mine did this very swap about a year ago on his 1972 Dart, 5.2 with TB efi, A500 OD auto.
He took the stock dart harness, and a EFI truck harness and put the 2 together to make one that plugs into the original dash plug.
I think his biggest hurdle was modifying the trans crossmeber and making the trans mount. But it all works. ( don't think he has the a/c hooked up yet though.

I'll get hold of him the 1st of the week and see if I can give out his email address

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425117
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There is also the Megaqsuirt option. Then again, you are doing so much already, I am not sure you would want to entertain the headache of making this work as well.
http://www.megasquirt.info/
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Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: gtx6970] #1425118
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friend of mine did this very swap about a year ago on his 1972 Dart, 5.2 with TB efi, A500 OD auto.
He took the stock dart harness, and a EFI truck harness and put the 2 together to make one that plugs into the original dash plug.
I think his biggest hurdle was modifying the trans crossmeber and making the trans mount. But it all works. ( don't think he has the a/c hooked up yet though.

I'll get hold of him the 1st of the week and see if I can give out his email address




Please do! Thanks!

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: 300by500] #1425119
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Over on abodiesonly.com a guy did a really slick swap he did the engine, trans and even the a/c system from a ram with a step by step set of pictures.

Worth the read even if your not doing it

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=188547

Re: 5.9 Magnum into '71 Dart [Re: PossessedDuster] #1425120
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wow that thread was sweet

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wow that thread was sweet










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