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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421005
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421006
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421007
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At least the stock bumper fits on the stock bumper mounts.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421008
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Ah so there is a notch! Is it on one side or both? Looks like one side...


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421009
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Did you see my posts above?


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421010
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That notch was on both my son's 67 Dart GT and my old 67 Dart GT (both original automatic cars). I believe is also on the 67 Barracudas. I'd have to get the GTS up in the air to see if the '68 had the notch.

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1421011
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It is not on a few my automatic cars, but then again I have not had many auto's...


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421012
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Okay, so these might be correct after all.

My car does not have the notch. Car is a GT originally with a 318/904.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421013
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Good picture of the notch:

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1421014
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Perfect, thanks Jim!


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1421015
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Quote:

Good picture of the notch:




That looks like a homemade notch, mine look MUCH nicer than that, like they are stamped out!


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421016
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Quote:

Quote:

Good picture of the notch:




That looks like a homemade notch, mine look MUCH nicer than that, like they are stamped out!




Nope. That's factory. The picture may make it look more crude than it is. I cut the sheetmetal out and did not make the notch. I'll take a look at my Barracuda if I get the chance.

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1421017
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Alright. So backing up a bit... I was just under the car with some good light. I was not paying close attention the other day. There is a notch in the cross member. Feel a little silly that somehow I missed this.

So, I went back through all my pics and found the ones where I put the hump in.

I made more clearance with the grinder. It looks like it will work now, but things are still really close. What kind of clearance do you guys (with A-bodies!) have? There is very little clearance on the front of the cross member (where there is no notch).

The rods cannot be that far off, after all the shifter and rods were on the transmission when I got it.

I was also thinking some more, and the side cover and forks did change from when I mocked it up. I'll need to dig out the old side cover, but I don't see how the dimensions can be any different to affect the rod clearance.

Is it just these heavy duty rods? I am going to try to figure something out with the numbers on the rods. Try to see what I have for sure.

Some pics of the install. This was 10 years ago.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421018
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421019
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The heavy duty rods do have clearance issues, everything is very tight in there. I usually mount an engine block with the trans and shifter then put place the hump on the floor before tacking it in if it was an automatic car being switched to a 4-speed, things tend to work better that way.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421020
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Rhino, that is exactly what I did when I put the hump in. Evidently I didn't connect the linkage when I mocked everything up.

I have another thread going. I am really just trying to figure out what I have. The shifter is stamped Competition Plus, but with the reverse lockout makes me thing it is a Super Shifter, unless the CP shifter could be had with reverse lockout?

The shifter is mounted in the stock location with the aluminum plate.

The rods and levers look nothing like the factory stuff. The lever slots are a different angle than the factory, and the rods are obviously thicker.

So, I'm confused as to how the levers need to be installed, as since they are different than factory they might not attach the same way.

Maybe I'll give Jamie and/or Brewer's a call tomorrow.

The saga continues.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421021
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The Super Shifter did not have the reverse lockout lever. You had to push down on the shifter to get it in reverse. It was also spring loaded to the right while in neutral, great when speed shifting from 2-3, just shove it up & it went in. I remember the inline had a reverse lockout.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: express] #1421022
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The Super Shifter did not have the reverse lockout lever. You had to push down on the shifter to get it in reverse. It was also spring loaded to the right while in neutral, great when speed shifting from 2-3, just shove it up & it went in. I remember the inline had a reverse lockout.




Alright. Dunno man. Still trying to make sense out of this.

I might try to give Hurst a call. None of this stuff is available any more, so I'm not too confident that they will be able to help.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421023
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It's a super shifter 3 with that red handle.

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: RobX4406] #1421024
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Agree. Even though it says Competition Plus, from what I have found today it is a SS3.

The 2298 plate is for early As, so I am going to get the plate for 67-up and see if that helps my situation.


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