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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1418608
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can you get a bell to do the 518 to a big block?



Yep, there's an Ultrabell for this.




out of stock till late May maybe.


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418609
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My Ultrabell took forever to make. I am building a 47re with an ultra bell behind my 2nd gen hemi.

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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: Jambbii] #1418610
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my bud John Cope is working some numbers on the 4l80 now.


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418611
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my bud John Cope is working some numbers on the 4l80 now.


your bud

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1418612
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The ultrabell requires a 10" or smaller diameter converter and I had to machine the starter nose pocket because it was too small (and I'm running a factory late model starter)

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: ntstlgl1970] #1418613
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Question, I have left a message for Lenny so waiting on a reply but wouldn't it be possible to make a GM turbo convert with a ring gear so you dont have to buy self destructing flexplates(440jim thread) and just use what you already have insted of wasting money on crap?

Or what I'm really getting at is just make my 727 vert fit a GM trans


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418614
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Over in LSx'ville, Jakes Performance is one of the go-to guys for 4L80e stuff.
Ultimate, Circle D, and Yank are good choices for converters.

You can very easily set it up for full manual and omit the computer. Just use a switch for the extra features you want.

http://jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418615
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I was going to set my 518 up so it would sense the
throttle pressure and kick out the OD but I would rather
have my choice... with just OD I can leave it on all
the time if I want but then you shouldnt put the boot
to it while in OD(the OD clutch isnt really that big)

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: topbrent] #1418616
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Over in LSx'ville, Jakes Performance is one of the go-to guys for 4L80e stuff.
Ultimate, Circle D, and Yank are good choices for converters.

You can very easily set it up for full manual and omit the computer. Just use a switch for the extra features you want.

http://jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html




this guy has a very good reputation with the turbo buick guys. this is the one i'm looking at
http://www.extremeautomatics.net/4l80estage2-2.aspx

i would like to be foward looking for a very possible twin turbo hemi build in the future


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418617
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JW doesnt have any bells list for the 4l80, is it the same as a turbo 400? anyone know?

in pictures, I'm seeing an aluminum adapter that bolts to the pump then the Bell bolts to the adapter. is that how all the bells work?

small picture best I could find

7668484-4l80e1.jpg (103 downloads)
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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418618
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Not to hi-jack, but are the 518's similar in strength to a 727, just with an overdrive? or is there more that is different?

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: mshred] #1418619
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Not to hi-jack, but are the 518's similar in strength to a 727, just with an overdrive? or is there more that is different?




It is a 727 but with OD

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1418620
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I just started looking into the 4l80's for the next project. Looking forward to hearing some deets.


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: OUTLAWD] #1418621
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after 3 days of consideration

I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it

I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.

I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup

I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.

so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418622
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after 3 days of consideration

I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it

I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.

I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup

I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.

so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable




Your only figuring in the mileage aspect... is a
million more revs worth something(meaning more frequent
tear downs)... I have about $350 into my 518... not
counting the drive shaft which I had to get either way

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1418623
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after 3 days of consideration

I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it

I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.

I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup

I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.

so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable




Your only figuring in the mileage aspect... is a
million more revs worth something(meaning more frequent
tear downs)... I have about $350 into my 518... not
counting the drive shaft which I had to get either way





yes, I know. The 518 is still an option if I can find one, but from a bunch of research on moparts, the 518 can really rob a lot of ET. then I had to ask myself "Ray, if I told you that if you took that 518 out and put in a 727 you would pick up 3 tenths, would you do it?" and I answered "hell ya, 3 tenths is huge. You mean to tell me that a 727 would pick up that much?" this conversation with no one went on for awhile last night


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418624
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yes, I know. The 518 is still an option if I can find one, but from a bunch of research on moparts, the 518 can really rob a lot of ET. then I had to ask myself "Ray, if I told you that if you took that 518 out and put in a 727 you would pick up 3 tenths, would you do it?" and I answered "hell ya, 3 tenths is huge. You mean to tell me that a 727 would pick up that much?" this conversation with no one went on for awhile last night




Can you post this .3 difference between the 2 trans..
I know its heavier but I dont see .3 between them

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1418625
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yes, I know. The 518 is still an option if I can find one, but from a bunch of research on moparts, the 518 can really rob a lot of ET. then I had to ask myself "Ray, if I told you that if you took that 518 out and put in a 727 you would pick up 3 tenths, would you do it?" and I answered "hell ya, 3 tenths is huge. You mean to tell me that a 727 would pick up that much?" this conversation with no one went on for awhile last night




Can you post this .3 difference between the 2 trans..
I know its heavier but I dont see .3 between them





If you do a search in the google bar up top you will find the same threads I did. I have spoke to many trans guys about this over the past 4 days. these trans have heavy internal parts and rob a percentage of horsepower. as the HP goes up so does the amount of HP they rob. the 518 is worse than the 4l80 from what I was told but both will do it. the initial acceleration of such heavy parts is the problem, once you get them spinning then its fine, till you go to stop. and it starts all over again

have you taken your car to the track yet? does it run what it should?


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Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418626
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have you taken your car to the track yet? does it run what it should?




No... havent been out yet... I will be this summer..
I'll be painting it next week I think, then put it back
together then start testing

Re: anyone here run a 4l80e? [Re: sixpackgut] #1418627
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Ray, I thought about it more after we talked the other day...having OD would be really nice, but there's no way it's worth 3 tenths to me. Not even 2 tenths. I'd go w/ the 727 every time if I knew it was even 2 tenths quicker. Especially considering the cost. I worked long and hard to get my car to run where I'm happy w/ it...it wasn't built for fuel mileage, lol.


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