Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418609
04/12/13 05:26 PM
04/12/13 05:26 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 556 Mesa , Az
Jambbii
mopar
|
mopar
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 556
Mesa , Az
|
My Ultrabell took forever to make. I am building a 47re with an ultra bell behind my 2nd gen hemi.
Josh
70 Challenger 1960 Town Wagon P Pump 24v cummins project 06 Mega 3500 Drw 2wd 12 Durango R/T 18 Power Wagon 67 A100
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: Jambbii]
#1418610
04/12/13 06:06 PM
04/12/13 06:06 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
my bud John Cope is working some numbers on the 4l80 now.
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418611
04/12/13 06:11 PM
04/12/13 06:11 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
my bud John Cope is working some numbers on the 4l80 now.
your bud
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
#1418613
04/12/13 07:42 PM
04/12/13 07:42 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
Question, I have left a message for Lenny so waiting on a reply but wouldn't it be possible to make a GM turbo convert with a ring gear so you dont have to buy self destructing flexplates(440jim thread) and just use what you already have insted of wasting money on crap? Or what I'm really getting at is just make my 727 vert fit a GM trans
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418614
04/12/13 09:31 PM
04/12/13 09:31 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 793 Utah
topbrent
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 793
Utah
|
Over in LSx'ville, Jakes Performance is one of the go-to guys for 4L80e stuff. Ultimate, Circle D, and Yank are good choices for converters. You can very easily set it up for full manual and omit the computer. Just use a switch for the extra features you want. http://jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418615
04/12/13 10:00 PM
04/12/13 10:00 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
I was going to set my 518 up so it would sense the throttle pressure and kick out the OD but I would rather have my choice... with just OD I can leave it on all the time if I want but then you shouldnt put the boot to it while in OD(the OD clutch isnt really that big)
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: topbrent]
#1418616
04/12/13 10:04 PM
04/12/13 10:04 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
Quote:
Over in LSx'ville, Jakes Performance is one of the go-to guys for 4L80e stuff. Ultimate, Circle D, and Yank are good choices for converters.
You can very easily set it up for full manual and omit the computer. Just use a switch for the extra features you want.
http://jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html
this guy has a very good reputation with the turbo buick guys. this is the one i'm looking at http://www.extremeautomatics.net/4l80estage2-2.aspx
i would like to be foward looking for a very possible twin turbo hemi build in the future
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418617
04/14/13 10:43 PM
04/14/13 10:43 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
JW doesnt have any bells list for the 4l80, is it the same as a turbo 400? anyone know?
in pictures, I'm seeing an aluminum adapter that bolts to the pump then the Bell bolts to the adapter. is that how all the bells work?
small picture best I could find
Last edited by sixpackgut; 04/14/13 10:45 PM.
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: mshred]
#1418619
04/15/13 01:10 AM
04/15/13 01:10 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
Quote:
Not to hi-jack, but are the 518's similar in strength to a 727, just with an overdrive? or is there more that is different?
It is a 727 but with OD
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1418620
04/15/13 02:07 PM
04/15/13 02:07 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942 Metro Detroit
OUTLAWD
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942
Metro Detroit
|
I just started looking into the 4l80's for the next project. Looking forward to hearing some deets.
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts 66 Belv. II - just a streetcar 88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: OUTLAWD]
#1418621
04/15/13 02:52 PM
04/15/13 02:52 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
after 3 days of consideration
I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it
I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.
I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup
I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.
so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418622
04/15/13 03:20 PM
04/15/13 03:20 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
Quote:
after 3 days of consideration
I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it
I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.
I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup
I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.
so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable
Your only figuring in the mileage aspect... is a million more revs worth something(meaning more frequent tear downs)... I have about $350 into my 518... not counting the drive shaft which I had to get either way
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1418623
04/15/13 03:53 PM
04/15/13 03:53 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
Quote:
Quote:
after 3 days of consideration
I have figured my car put 1 million more engine revolutions on it during Drag Week than it would have if I had a .75 OD in it
I also figured out my fuel consumption per engine revolution.
I figured out that the OD should add 3.3 MPG to my current setup
I say that I would drive my car more than I do if it got better fuel mileage but the $300 a year in fuel savings doesn't pay for the cost of the 4l80e swap.
so for me, this trans swap is dead. plan on putting my 426 gen 3 hemi in the car. slap a little carb on it and see what kind of fuel mileage I can get out of it and hopefully make it daily driver capable
Your only figuring in the mileage aspect... is a million more revs worth something(meaning more frequent tear downs)... I have about $350 into my 518... not counting the drive shaft which I had to get either way
yes, I know. The 518 is still an option if I can find one, but from a bunch of research on moparts, the 518 can really rob a lot of ET. then I had to ask myself "Ray, if I told you that if you took that 518 out and put in a 727 you would pick up 3 tenths, would you do it?" and I answered "hell ya, 3 tenths is huge. You mean to tell me that a 727 would pick up that much?" this conversation with no one went on for awhile last night
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1418625
04/15/13 04:20 PM
04/15/13 04:20 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225 Charleston
sixpackgut
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
|
OP
Drag Week Mod Champion
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 9,225
Charleston
|
Quote:
yes, I know. The 518 is still an option if I can find one, but from a bunch of research on moparts, the 518 can really rob a lot of ET. then I had to ask myself "Ray, if I told you that if you took that 518 out and put in a 727 you would pick up 3 tenths, would you do it?" and I answered "hell ya, 3 tenths is huge. You mean to tell me that a 727 would pick up that much?" this conversation with no one went on for awhile last night
Can you post this .3 difference between the 2 trans.. I know its heavier but I dont see .3 between them
If you do a search in the google bar up top you will find the same threads I did. I have spoke to many trans guys about this over the past 4 days. these trans have heavy internal parts and rob a percentage of horsepower. as the HP goes up so does the amount of HP they rob. the 518 is worse than the 4l80 from what I was told but both will do it. the initial acceleration of such heavy parts is the problem, once you get them spinning then its fine, till you go to stop. and it starts all over again
have you taken your car to the track yet? does it run what it should?
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs
|
|
|
Re: anyone here run a 4l80e?
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1418627
04/16/13 09:15 AM
04/16/13 09:15 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,493 Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,493
Marion, South Carolina [><]
|
Ray, I thought about it more after we talked the other day...having OD would be really nice, but there's no way it's worth 3 tenths to me. Not even 2 tenths. I'd go w/ the 727 every time if I knew it was even 2 tenths quicker. Especially considering the cost. I worked long and hard to get my car to run where I'm happy w/ it...it wasn't built for fuel mileage, lol.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
|
|
|
|
|