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Can anyone identify this spindle????
apparently it's not a 10" drum, and, does anyone have a set of 10" drum spindles for a 71 dart???
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Jim

Re: spindle [Re: pyrojim] #1376966
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Since it has two ears for the caliper adapter I'd say it was a disc brake spindle.


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Re: spindle [Re: Supercuda] #1376967
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65-72 A Body Disc Brake Spindle, for the Kelsey Hayes brake system.


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Re: spindle [Re: hemi71x] #1376968
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Thanks Hemi.
I saw you rebuild kits like this. I didn't want to change them, but the hub assembly makes me real nervous and I couldn't seem to locate the hub/ rotor assembly to put these back together. I was told they were a 10" drum spindle so I bought the Wilwood kit to fit, but....
Any suggestions? Here is a picture of the hub, and this is the good looking one.
Any help is appreciated.
Jim

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another pic

Re: spindle [Re: hemi71x] #1376970
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I should also mention I'm running 15" wheels so I need the big bolt pattern.

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Ya, Disc Brake "Hubs" for the Kelsey Hayes system brake rotors, are pretty much unobtanium, dinosaur eggs, hens teeth, to find and purchase now a days.
But there are probably some out there in the USA, that a seller might not price gouge you to death on the price, if you can find a pair for sale.
I gave up on looking for any more of them, when i was hot and heavy in rebuilding these brakes, for extra income.
Sorry, but there is no other "Hub" that will fit the disc brake rotor, other than an original factory one, that i am aware of.
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Re: spindle [Re: hemi71x] #1376972
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Ya, Disc Brake "Hubs" for the Kelsey Hayes system brake rotors, are pretty much unobtanium, dinosaur eggs, hens teeth, to find and purchase now a days.
But there are probably some out there in the USA, that a seller might not price gouge you to death on the price, if you can find a pair for sale.
I gave up on looking for any more of them, when i was hot and heavy in rebuilding these brakes, for extra income.
Sorry, but there is no other "Hub" that will fit the disc brake rotor, other than an original factory one, that i am aware of.
Jim V.




I just bought an aftermarket replacement rotor and hub assembly off ebay last week.

I might be able to scare up a set of 10" drum spindles , what year do they need to be ?

Re: spindle [Re: JohnRR] #1376973
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1971 dart. Here is another option I just picked up on another site.

I`ve read an article or two on the idea of using 66 Mustang rotors on A-body Mopars that came with KH 4 piston disc brakes (67-69 for ex.) in order to take advantage of the 4.5" bolt circle they offer. Since both systems were made by Kelsey Hayes it doesn`t sound out of the question. I did some research and found that both share the same inner and outer bearing. The Mustang rotor is almost a 1/4" larger in diameter at 11.29" versus the A-body rotor at 11.09". I bought a pair of these rotors Bendix #141017 and took them to a local machinist. The rotors can be used if the rotor diameter is turned down to 11.09. Two other cuts must be made, the inner bearing race must be removed and the seat has to be cut down .271 deeper to allow the rotor to slide up on the spindle ,the seal cup must be cut to match. Neither the Mustang or Mopar grease seal will fit since the od on the Mopar seal is too small while the Mustang seals id is too large. I`m still searching to find the correct grease seal. I paid my machinist $60.00 for the work (took just a little over an hour for both) and the cost of the rotors was just over a $130.00 for the pair. Now I`ve got the 4.5"bc with 1/2" studs on my existing 68 disc brake spindles by using the Mustang rotors. I hope this will help somebody by providing another alternative for getting the big bolt pattern without having to (go to the 73 and up system and) change out everything.
I have a 72 Duster with the KH SBP and am interested in doing this swap. Anyone in or around the Toronto Canada

The only problem I encountered was with the area between the hub and the rotor. It's "as cast" and really rough in this area and it hit my calipers until I took a grinder to it and smoothed things out, after that all was good.

RAYBESTOS 6004R Disc Brake Rotor and Hub Assembly F $41.85 (2) $83.70
SKF 16743 Grease Seals (Stock) $9.33 (2) $18.66

Re: spindle [Re: pyrojim] #1376974
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What brakes are on your dart now ?

That's a fair amount of machining work to make those rotors usable and the jury is still out on the grease seal, but you have to have a complete working disc brake setup if you want to make that change. Looks like you only have spindles ???

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The Kelsey hayes are on there now with a homemade hub for the bigger bolt pattern. The guy at Menumforce told me they were 10" drum spindles and me being new to this just went with it. So, I have the complete Wilwood brake kit but not the spindles to match. I hate getting new (used) spindles and hoping for the best. I have the complete three piece set up. (hub,rotor, spacer.) was hoping with the mustang hub my machinist could replicate the inside of what is currently there?
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Re: spindle [Re: pyrojim] #1376976
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if you have someone that can modify the mustang rotor and can return the wilwood to the seller then you might want to go that direction ???

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I found someone with the correct spindles in Vt. Wasn't comfortable with some one modifying mustang rotor assemblies. Probably would have worked but I believe the simplest way is probably the correct way,
Thank you everyone for all your input!
Jim







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