AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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I've had alot of guys call me and ask if the AIRWOLF 220 head will work on a 360. So we put a 360 together with a bunch of old parts that Dulcich had laying around. The goal was to build a budget style 360 that could make some killer power. Take a look at the tq @ 2500 360 Test engine specs 4.040 bore x 3.58 stroke Stock Crank Turned 10/10 Scatt I beam Rods 7/16 bolts Probe Flat top pistons 1/16 1/16 3/16 ring package 10.35 to 1 with 67cc chamber Engle KV3 Hyd flat tappet 241/241 @ .050 .367 Lobe 110 LSA AIRWOLF 220 Heads Beehive Spings Set up for Hyd flat tappet 145lbs on the seat 395 lbs open 1.6 rockers .588 lift intake and exhaust Dr J's Ported Weiand X-Celerator Holley Ultra Hp 950 TTI headers 1 5/8 -1 3/4 chassis headers 30wt dello 400 oil Milodon oil and windage try http://youtu.be/OeX3LWkJKWg
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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Bryce nice results. Can you fix your average at the bottom of the columns-It looks like it is using the median method and not the sum divided by total points method. Do you think the cam is what limited peak power at 6200 rpm? How were you circulating water without turning the pump in the video? Oh and you should sell me that X-celerator, I could use it for my own cratekiller program. J.Rob
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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I can't wait for nice weather an the tracks to open back up to test the Airwolfs on the 414. Probably need to jet it up over the old SDSS Stage 2's, really looking forward to the spring. They are definately a super nice set of SB heads, I'd like to see bryce work up a set with an offset rocker and the pushrod pinch either eliminated or tubed, if they flow this good with a standard rocker they could be even that much more awesome! I'll offer these up as the test mules since they did so great the last (633 horse 408) time For anybody who has any reservations about the overseas quality of the castings.....DON'T. the quality is actually as good or Better than any domestic castings I've seen and everything bolts up and sealed up perfectly.
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Also, just like shown on the 408 motor graph, the torque is very broad and maintains at least 85-90% of peak over a very broad RPM range; Ex: look how long you have at least 420 lb/ft from on a 495-ish peak...over a 3000+ rpm range. IMO that is the sign of a well executed and HP/Tq efficient combo, broad torque that results in a near linear hp curve (which is the rate of HP gain per RPM increase). Broad torque gives you a combo that will work well on the street as well as at the track, don't overcam, keep the Peak torque RPM at a reasonable RPm level for block preservation and let good flowing heads and induction do the HP work above that RPM point to keep as much of the torque for as long as you can.
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Bryce, what did you calculate the Min/Max CSA of the X-cellerator to be? I know it's smaller than a Victor but IIRC it's bigger than a torker or Torker 2. Also has less taper than an M1 or the old Strip Dominator. What is your opinion on runner length and how it effects flow? Longer strokes tend to like shorter runners when the cross sections are relatively small for the displacement, at some point the total runeer length itself (plenum to Valve) becomes a flow restriction. That's in part why I think (theorize) that a ported Victor could be a HP advantage over a SV on a longer 4+" stroke motor is the CSA and min/max CSa's were identical. additional Runner length tends to be beneficial below peak torque, but beyond that point becomes a HP restriction.(as RPM increases the motor would like the runner to be shorter and shorter = CLOSER to the carb) It there a formula for runner taper (Plenum CSA relative to Runner outlet CSA) that works best for mopar Wedges? runner length (and more appropriately -Total Runner Volume) also comes into play here as well in terms of inertia tuning but that's too much to go into here I think.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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I placed an order for these heads the last week of november 2012. It is now the last week of january 2013. I called Dr. J's today 1/28/13 and a message comes on that says this number has been DISCONNECTED. Should l be worried. Has anyone else found the same.
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Certainly not what you would call customer service. These guys want to sell parts but don't want to talk to the customer, glad I deal with big blocks.
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MisterBee, My timeline has went like this: April 4th First inquiring e-mail, got a reply from Bryce in 12 hours. April 16th e-mail, and phone call, no reply to either. April 23 phone call no answer. April 24th e-mail reply from Bryce in the AM, to e-mail I sent on 16th April 24th reached Bryce by phone in the PM, hashed out the deal, set the price, and he promised to charge my card, and send an invoice via e-mail. Said he was "3 weeks out" on the heads. May 16th reached Bryce by phone on my second attempt. He explained he was overwhelmed with demand, and explained he was still probably "2 weeks out". I explained that I hadn't been charged, or received an invoice, so I was worried that we didn't really have a deal. He promised to "take care of that this afternoon". June 6th The charge for the purchase price appeared on my credit card statement.
I have not had any correspondence with Bryce since then, I have still not received an invoice, or the heads. I have 3 cars to work on, and I have yet to assemble the short block the heads are destined for, so I haven't made any efforts to contact him in the last month, figuring my time is better spent on the stuff that is in front of me.
So, yeah, it's not just you, if that helps!
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i started on this adventure May 8 was told also 3 weeks have left many phone messages and e-mails have NOT heard anything until CC was charged last week. and STILL,NO Response from Bryce even trying the # he posted (please call my cell 714-943-3404) so,I tried once again to get info on shipping date No luck called again yesterday, left another message hope all is good Cause,I don't know how I'll ever,be able to get in touch with him, IF there is a problem with the Heads.....
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They must be on a REALLY slow boat from China. They should get a ship with an American engine to ship them over.
Ships captain sum ting wong has blamed his first mate Wi tu slow for any shipping delays.
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Funny thing is the aluminum used to cast those heads probably originated right here in the good ole U S S of A...
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Not his material...pinched from a US news service sucked in to showing it in relation to a Chinese Air Crash.
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This isn't looking good for these heads, thats for sure.
Not to mention his reputation.
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I've deliberately not been derogatory towards Bryce because I had assumed that he was either flat out or there were other issues at play.
He pm'd me today and has said that he has some ready for shipment at the end of this week.
He has also explained that he's dealing with some personal,matters which I totally understand.
Hopefully things will sort themselves out in the next week or so.
Awesome! That's definitely good to hear!
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I talked to Bryce yesterday He said I would have a tracking # by the night He says he is a small shop,just covered up in orders. and trying to deal with other situations,that are out of his control SO,,,,, I now, have a tracking #, should be here,in 3-4 days...
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That is wonderful for you guys but when running a business communication with customers or clients is a main key factor for success, how hard is to send an email regardless wether you have good news or bad news. I read the articles where he did a mopar, chevy and a ford and things looked really good, I hope he does well.
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a guy on yellowbullet last night 8.00 pm called bryce out on where his heads where with in 10 mins bryce gave him a reply the power of yellowbullet.
Link to the thread or it never happened. And pics of the heads when you get them. Apparently this is a case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease...
it happend i read it wrong it took him 6 hrs to get back to him i just went on yellowbullet on trash or b trashed and put the tread to the top at 808 am today
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I almost bought a set of the Pro comp heads off ebay as the prices are hard to beat but after porting a set of Chevy Pro comps this week its not gonna happen. The quality of the aluminum between them and Edelbrocks is like night and day. You can feel the difference in your hands and ears when grinding. The seats look like they are begging to fall out and the finish on these heads are terrible. DO NOT plan on running these ever out of the box.
Bet ya a box of donuts they're better than most the W5's floating around from a metallurgy standpoint!
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Got the heads today It was worth the wait, just wish I was told 3 months instead of 3 weeks the machining is spot on, looks to be a very good CNC program a slight sand roll, will make the ports shine I have only checked a few valves so far, the spring height is on the money and the springs checked all at 185 lbs at 1.900 (for my cam) will be checking the valve job and guide clearances soon etc. Thanks Bryce Now hire a phone/ E-mail person, ya can't do it all by your self
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Bryce stated he gets the Procomps Bare and installs his own seats and guides, my Airwolfs are the dyno pair and (assuming they are representative to the production sets)I have zero issues with the quality of the hardware or metallurgy with my own set.
I'm hoping Bryce will get through the rough patch and get the supply up to the demand, in my own dealings with him he has been very professional and takes his client's product satisfaction very seriously.
Tell me which part of getting heads out to someone who is blowing up his business phone, his cell phone, his e-mail, and his facebook, but ignoring a customer who placed his order a month earlier, and was charged a month earlier could be considered "professional"? Actions, or in this case inaction, speaks far more loudly than words.
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Billy, I only stated what my own personal experiences have been, every word I stated was true as to my own transaction on the Airwolf Heads I bought from Bryce. I have no doubt what you say is true but I think that Bryce probably hit an unforseen shipment rough patch and likely (quite unintentionally) your transaction got caught-up in it. Seems it's happened to all of us at one time or another but most times it gets set-right, that said, I do hope Bryce will get it all squared-up as best as possible with you soon
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Personally the wait wouldn't bother me as much as the lack of communication.
IMO communication is the first step in good customer service. In this electronic age it's simpler than ever.
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And still, nothing but crickets!
Mr. Bee, let me know when you get yours!
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NB I'm also after a port matched manifold and a "big inch" small block - something along the lines of an R3 block with a BPE crank and a solid Roller. I want a pretty big lazy motor that doesn't have to rev its tail off to make power.
Slightly off topic but anyone know a good source for nice short per my description above? Was thinking Bryce or Hughes (also thought about Indy but they don't seem to have a good rep for issue resolution) but I don't want the $$$ to get out of control...
SF
Seriously, Brian at IMM (IMMengines.com) If I'd have just taken him my X block, the 4.125 BPE kit(beautiful kit, and while it took a little longer than expected to get, Rod was in constant contact with us), and my set of worn out 90K miles Edelbrocks, I'd have 575 Hp sitting between the fenders right now, instead of being jerked around like this!
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Well, After he PM'd me (per above) I responded to him saying that once you have a total price let me know and I'll provide my CC number. I was thinking that it would happen fairly quickly.
I hadn't had response so I started ringing again. Then emailed him and contacted him via the Dr J's website. NB I'm also after a port matched manifold and a "big inch" small block - something along the lines of an R3 block with a BPE crank and a solid Roller. I want a pretty big lazy motor that doesn't have to rev its [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] off to make power.
I had a response from Bryce this morning (My time)saying to ring his cell phone so I'll try that later tonight (big time difference between Australia and California). Hopefully we'll be able to stitch something up ASAP as its dragging on a bit.
Slightly off topic but anyone know a good source for nice short per my description above? Was thinking Bryce or Hughes (also thought about Indy but they don't seem to have a good rep for issue resolution) but I don't want the $$$ to get out of control...
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Try Tony at Brinks Performance in Townsville. He won't let you down.
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PLEASE QUIT ORDERING HEADS FROM THIS GUY!
So I can move up the list...
Still nothing...gonna have to make a drive to Cali when I get back from Dragweek!
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PLEASE QUIT ORDERING HEADS FROM THIS GUY!
So I can move up the list...
Still nothing...gonna have to make a drive to Cali when I get back from Dragweek!
"Billy's heads were shipped and he should have got them on Friday. I will see what's going on with the ups"
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I'm just on the outside looking in Pittsracer... I met Billy and his family at a Mopar Shootout in Tuscon years ago and he's a guy you want in your circle. No bs, true to his word, and a handshake means something. Though I seldom see him, I consider him a friend... enough to go to bat for him. I had just noted on Dr. J's facebook page that they had noted that their were more heads done and that they were "overwhelmed" with responses for them. I responded that Billy had been patiently waiting for some time with no response, or heads and they replied to me. I posted those results here. I went on again tonight (not looking like Billy facebooks, or at least with Dr. J) and they replied within an hour... so again, I posted the reply. At this point, making it "public" will at least show that just maybe Dr J's is trying the best that they can... I don't know jack diddly about their operation. I hear it's a "one man show" and the service for Billy would so far reflect that... that's assuming that the "one guy, overwhelming demand", scenario is what's going on here. I just hope he gets his heads soon and he's able to adapt to the "small block boys club". He's been trying really hard to fit in. I'm thinking he's thinking this is all some kind of strange initiation to the "Small block Mopar" club....though I'm not going to let him in on the secret handshake
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What is Dr J's facebook page called? Can't find it.
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The Wife called and said a Dr. J's box arrived on Tuesday, but I'm already in OK, getting ready for Drag Week. Thanks for the effort, and kind words J-body, even if I'm not in "the Club"!
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: MoparBilly]
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Billy, Enjoy Drag Week. We'll need to get together at the track one of these days. It's been a while . matt
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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What I am itching to know is if these heads will support an honest 650 ponies with a good non exotic roller cam shortblock under them 400+ inch 4 inch motor... If so If not.....
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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My offer still stands for a FREE flow test. Then we will know how they stack up against Edelbrocks or Indy's
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Triple Threat]
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What I am itching to know is if these heads will support an honest 650 ponies with a good non exotic roller cam shortblock under them 400+ inch 4 inch motor... If so
If not.....
I wonder this as well. Hopefully some of these guys buying them up will share numbers with us when the motors are together. My current 59* motor makes about 625, but its bigger and fancier than most.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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Hi All,
Its been a while, and probably a moot point now because so much time has passed. However, I finally got to take my AIRWOLF 220 heads to a reputable head/ engine shop in the last couple of weeks (yes 4 years later...I know)
The shop were initially skeptical of the advertised numbers but were impressed with the results and the quality of the heads generally...here are the results;
Lift .100 .200 .300 .400 .500 .600 .700 .800 .900 Cyl 1 Int Corr. CFM 61.7 137.9 203.2 256.0 290.8 297.8 304.4 309.1 312.6 Cyl 1 Exh Corr. CFM 58.4 110.0 147.3 175.5 194.4 209.6 218.8 221.8 222.4
I'll try and show you the full sheet once I work out how to load it (PDF).
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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Very impressive at 1/2 inch
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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yeah the last we knew is that Bryce fell off the face of the earth with some people money.... a search awhile back found some picts and name in results at some SoCal dirt tracks. Damn.. they looked like a decent head... bummer because I was looking for a set of heads
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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Funny this got brought up again, because I was wondering why someone didn't step in and buy Bryce out, then try to keep the AirWolf name and products going. Since then I've been watching this whole Keith Black debacle unfold, and it's abundantly clear why they let it die on the vine!!
As far as the heads... three torturous Drag Weeks, running down back roads at temps between 210 and 230 for over 3200 miles. Zero issues, heads are still dry. 10.39-128 motor, 9.65-138 bottle 300/600 flat tappet cam.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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07/21/17 12:30 AM
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Refresh my memory...what castings did he use?
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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The main issue I see with the AW heads, at this point in time is........ What if you damaged one bad enough to need another one?
For someone who already owns a set, that's a moot point. You just run em and hope for the best. But if a few sets of "NOS" showed up in the market, I'd have to think about how deep I'd want my build to be based on something where a replacement wasn't available.
In that regard I put them in the same catagory as the Chapman Stage 6's...... Except for the price of course.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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This is interesting. I know they are talking Chevy here but a partnership my be a partnership and you may be able to get these buying off Speier Racing Heads unless he screwed him too. http://speierracingheads.com/airwolf.htm
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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Those SBC heads are made from Profiler castings....... Which are readily available.
I'd be surprised if you couldn't still get those through Spierer..... Unless he's come up with something better since.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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If they start out as Pro Comp heads, couldn't they be copied fairly easy?
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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I think I have the only other "known" set on moparts besides Billy. Mine were alledgedly the dyno set used on Dulcich's 408 dyno mule for the original magazine set.
No QC issues except for the fact that the springs Bryce said I got were nowhere near the advertised seat/open pressures stated on the Build sheet. So the second pass down the track they floated #2 intake valve which fortunately didn't cost me more than a tear down and a little emory clean up on the slug.
I called Bryce about it but got ZERO for a reply, no "my bad"....nada. But seeing them disassembled the Port work in the bowls, runners and even the chambers all looked great though. Wondered what they could flow with a PR relo/tube and maybe an offset intake rocker....maybe a legit 315-320? And the only thing that was borderline concerning QC wise was that the port roof to seat cup 'meat' in the casting was a little bit thin on the caliper measurement, but with But we put a new set of PAC's on them and I shift every run at 6800 with a 260/269@.050 .665/640 lift Solid roller Bullet cam.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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This isn't a suggestion......... more like a thought that popped in to my head.......
It would make for an interesting dyno test session...... AW220 vs BPE heads vs Hughes Big Mouth vs some decent hand ported RPM's....... All on the same 422-ish roller cammed short block.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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If he were a stand up guy...... Which he's shown he's not......now that he's got a decent steady income......... He could start repaying all the people he's swindled out of their hard earned $$$, or start supplying the products they paid for. It wouldn't have to be overnight...... But he could pick away at it.
Frankly, I'd have a hard time even doing business with CP at this point, knowing they hired someone with so little integrity.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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07/26/17 08:42 AM
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Hang on a minute lads...do any of you actually know anyone who paid him, but didn't get what they paid for?
In my personal dealings with him he was a decent bloke.
Obviously, at the time he was going through a fairly traumatic separation/divorce with the custody of his young boy involved. He's no orphan in going through that, but I'm guessing it would've had a pretty big impact on his life at the time.
I think that was the major contributor to the issues I had contacting him, and him getting me what I was after. At the end of the day he did send me the heads, they were very good quality and I did get what I paid for. Yes, it was a pain in the neck but we got there in the end.
Like I said before its all a bit moot now, but if there are people with outstanding issues hes not exactly hard to find. For the blokes that are interested in getting a set of heads why not contact him and see if he's willing to get a set done for you?
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: Bryce Mulvey]
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Plenty of unhappy people over on YB who paid and got nothing.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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This isn't a suggestion......... more like a thought that popped in to my head.......
It would make for an interesting dyno test session...... AW220 vs BPE heads vs Hughes Big Mouth vs some decent hand ported RPM's....... All on the same 422-ish roller cammed short block. If the thought ever came to fruition, and I was rich, I'd like to have some skin in that game. As something different, I believe my choice would be to prepare the Indy LAX iron head.
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/184240844845?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
speedmaster 215cc CNC heads.....
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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Those are the ones I link too...that did now link....
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Re: AIRWOLF 220 Sbm heads tested on 360
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Not to be a negative Nelly, but those are pretty stout flow numbers for $2000. I'd like to see the flow numbers on a "known" reputable bench.
Ya really, 270 @ .400" --I seriously doubt that. Missing sparkplug is usually about 30cfm. J.Rob
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