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Is that your all in budget, or just the motor? And, what parts do you already have for the 440?

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It's likely to be somewhere in between, probably closer to 2K than 5.

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It's likely to be somewhere in between, probably closer to 2K than 5.

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2k won't get you much. 2k gets you a cleaned up 70's smogger 440 with fresh paint and a couple bolt ons. Hell, 5k gets spent quick enough!

If all you want to do is break into the 12's, a basic quick and dirty 440 combo can get you there. Normally I would advise going straight for a set of 440source or edelbrock rpm heads, but it sounds like that may be outside the budget. If you hunt around, you can find used runnable iron heads for a couple hundred bucks. Can't be picky about which casting they are though. Get a set of speed pro hyper 143 pistons or trw2355's and with a set of normal open chambered heads you should end up around 9.5 compression. Then toss in the big summit cam, el cheapo summit headers, used edelbrock ch4b intake and a holley 750 vacuum carb and you should basically be there. At least with those pistons later on down the road you can get a set of closed chambered aluminum heads and set them up for quench and upgrade the rest of the top end when you want some more power.

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Also, what about setting it up for E85 right from the get go? I guess you'd need a lot more compression to take advantage.

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Not sure if you looked at the suspension and tire combo....might want to budget on that as well....I am building a stroker and know this will be an issue - for me as well..

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tires, suspension and gears will need to be addressed as well.

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My 8.97:1 493 stroker made 500hp/600ft/lbs on 87 regular and does it all by 5000 RPM, just to give you an idea what displacement can do for you. It's a zero deck with RPM heads and .039 quench.

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It's likely to be somewhere in between, probably closer to 2K than 5.

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2k won't get you much. 2k gets you a cleaned up 70's smogger 440 with fresh paint and a couple bolt ons. Hell, 5k gets spent quick enough!

If all you want to do is break into the 12's, a basic quick and dirty 440 combo can get you there. Normally I would advise going straight for a set of 440source or edelbrock rpm heads, but it sounds like that may be outside the budget. If you hunt around, you can find used runnable iron heads for a couple hundred bucks. Can't be picky about which casting they are though. Get a set of speed pro hyper 143 pistons or trw2355's and with a set of normal open chambered heads you should end up around 9.5 compression. Then toss in the big summit cam, el cheapo summit headers, used edelbrock ch4b intake and a holley 750 vacuum carb and you should basically be there. At least with those pistons later on down the road you can get a set of closed chambered aluminum heads and set them up for quench and upgrade the rest of the top end when you want some more power.

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This is pretty much what I did - TRW 2355s, except I used an Engle 238 @ .050, .534 lift cam, a used Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, used Hooker 1 and 7/8" headers, and a 850 DP - all from eBay. 7.86 @ 86.7 in the 1/8 mile so far, that would be around 12.30-12.40 in the quarter. So I think your goal is doable but closer to 4K than 2K like was said above.

When I upgrade when time and funds allow, it will be to some aluminum heads and a solid lifter cam with a little more duration and lift.

Also, what about setting it up for E85 right from the get go? I guess you'd need a lot more compression to take advantage. I'd imagine E85 is readily available where you are in Iowa.

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My 8.97:1 493 stroker made 500hp/600ft/lbs on 87 regular and does it all by 5000 RPM, just to give you an idea what displacement can do for you. It's a zero deck with RPM heads and .039 quench.

Kevin

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Twostick....please elaborate on your combination.

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Long story .

76 440 truck block

4.15 440Source kit, Mopar journals. Ross pistons with IIRC 34 CC dish
zero decked and squared 8.97:1 CR

.509 cam 108 lsa installed straight up 1.7 rockers

RPM heads cleaned up with a good valve job.

M1 single plane with Holley Commander 950 Pro TBI

It made over 500 ft/lbs from 2000 thru 5500 and peaked 600 at 4000.

500 hp @ 5000

If I had to do it over, I wouldn't use that cam again. The EFI doesn't care for the overlap at low RPM.

Kevin

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Is that your all in budget, or just the motor? And, what parts do you already have for the 440?

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I have 0 parts right now. I may be picking up a core from 500ciDuster, though. I'm headed over to his place tomorrow to chat.

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500 HP out of a 360 stroker with decent heads is very easy to do, 600 HP from a 512 C.I. bb is easy to do also Money is always a deciding factor I would look around your area and see what I could buy a good core trans and engine for and go from there. A late model 360 with trans would be a good start as long as the block will bore to 4.060 and then look at a 4 inch sroker crank kit, a good set of aluminum heads, rocker assembly, intake and carb. and torque converter, headers, ignition and so on Same deal on a late model 440 or 400, looking for a rebuildable core trans and motor IMO the better choice is the 400 My first 512 stroker 400 made 612 HP at 5600 RPM and 644 ft. lbs torque at 4500 RPM on CA pump gas, it did have a decent set of mildy ported iron 906 heads and s good solid roller cam with a six pak, same combination with a single four barrel intake and carb. might make 10 to 20 HP less, same torque lots of choices out there Do your home work before deciding

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My 8.97:1 493 stroker made 500hp/600ft/lbs on 87 regular and does it all by 5000 RPM, just to give you an idea what displacement can do for you. It's a zero deck with RPM heads and .039 quench.

Kevin

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Twostick....please elaborate on your combination.

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Long story .

76 440 truck block

4.15 440Source kit, Mopar journals. Ross pistons with IIRC 34 CC dish
zero decked and squared 8.97:1 CR

.509 cam 108 lsa installed straight up 1.7 rockers

RPM heads cleaned up with a good valve job.

M1 single plane with Holley Commander 950 Pro TBI

It made over 500 ft/lbs from 2000 thru 5500 and peaked 600 at 4000.

500 hp @ 5000

If I had to do it over, I wouldn't use that cam again. The EFI doesn't care for the overlap at low RPM.

Kevin

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Easily attainable with a 440 , quench and compression at 9.5 with an iron head.

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How difficult will it be to reach these goals with the '71 B-Body?
A: It's not difficult at all.

What would you recommend for the engine build?
A: An RB wedge, even low compression with the right bolt ons and matched power train is plenty and will fit your budget.

I'd prefer to keep the budget as low as possible while still meeting these goals - what should I expect to spend?
A: Starting with a running core w/good oil pressure I'd expect to spend $2000 on bolt ons and another $2K on the transmission, convertor, and rear axle.

You don't need quench, new heads, or special cams. You need a solid running engine - if you don't have that add another $4K to the engine budget for a budget performance rebuild using factory heads. A simple 8.5:1 mid-70s 440 with a good dual plane intake, a 770 Street Avenger carb, a cheap set of headers, a cam in the 230° @ .050 area, and a good ignition will more than do. Get a convertor around 2200 and rear gears in the 3.55 range (or 3.91s depending on tire height). Tune it, and you should be able to eclipse your expected ETs and drive it anywhere.

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How difficult will it be to reach these goals with the '71 B-Body?
A: It's not difficult at all.

What would you recommend for the engine build?
A: An RB wedge, even low compression with the right bolt ons and matched power train is plenty and will fit your budget.

I'd prefer to keep the budget as low as possible while still meeting these goals - what should I expect to spend?
A: Starting with a running core w/good oil pressure I'd expect to spend $2000 on bolt ons and another $2K on the transmission, convertor, and rear axle.

You don't need quench, new heads, or special cams. You need a solid running engine - if you don't have that add another $4K to the engine budget for a budget performance rebuild using factory heads. A simple 8.5:1 mid-70s 440 with a good dual plane intake, a 770 Street Avenger carb, a cheap set of headers, a cam in the 230° @ .050 area, and a good ignition will more than do. Get a convertor around 2200 and rear gears in the 3.55 range (or 3.91s depending on tire height). Tune it, and you should be able to eclipse your expected ETs and drive it anywhere.

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