Re: Build Sheet info
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01/07/13 07:14 PM
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If people are already creating the fake paperwork, then the idea of secrecy as a deterrent is a failure.
Nope, you've missed the point; just because they are being made doesn't mean they're perfect and the more people share how to make them as close to perfect as possible, the better the fakes will get and the more innocent people will get scammed.
secrecy may not deter people from making fakes, but at least the fakes are usually flawed and detectable.
My advice is to stay here, learn and listen and get to know who's who. When you have a question, post it clearly stating the reason you want the info and someone will probably PM you the answer.
If the question was asked in a different manner; i.e. what number should there be on my valve cover?, I'm sure it would have been answered within a couple of posts.
Dave
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1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
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Re: Build Sheet info
[Re: cbusters]
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01/07/13 10:11 PM
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FWIW
There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.
1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer 2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?) 3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)
Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.
FAIR ENOUGH??
I am not trying to invent a fender tag or a broadcast sheet. I don't think that my 383 4 speed car with few options will be any threat to the value of anyone's car collection. We are just attempting to detail the car to the extreme as an example of what can be accomplished. This is just the standard fun to drive car that has more money in it than it could ever be worth, like other true Mopar people. I can still hold on to the hope that someone will help like I help others. Thanks for the warning anyways!
My original fender tag has E63 on it and it was built in LA California. What other info is needed?
For Lynch Rd. built cars it was 925 I don't know if it was the same code for an LA built car or not but I would think so. Was there more than one engine plant building 383s? The info is in GGs books.
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 12:38 AM
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BTW......Trivia: what are those three numbers from?
The number at the assembly plant for the complete engine assembly. Not available for purchase through parts so you won't find the number in the parts book.
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 12:39 AM
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If you have a '69 383, 4-speed with A/C road runner you should have 897 on the right "torquoise" valve cover in white.
897 - 383 4BBL, manual transmission, A/C, 330hp, Turquoise (925 for a '69 383 335hp 4-spd WITHOUT A/C orange)
899 is on an automatic as here on this survivor '69 383 Super Bee with A/C. (926 for a '69 383 335hp automatic WITHOUT A/C orange)
I would love to see a marked valve cover for a non a/c orange 383 with either a 925 or a 926. Would it be too greedy to see the drivers side also? The three numbers are put on the engine so the guys assembling the car put the right engine combination in the car. Probably pilot bushing and carb difference between manual and automatic. Maybe distributor, throttle bracket, and/or vacuum line nipples also. My car has the distributor advance delay valve on it also. I would be cool if that also made a difference in the engine numbers. The judging manual is kind of thin in that area and I would like to fill in the blanks and forward them to Dave at MMC. This would help the accuracy of the judges and keep the car quality higher.
Thanks for the great pics!!!
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 02:06 PM
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I have read posted questions about items that are being restored and the comments were not to worry about it or some comment about the person being "one of those perfect restoration guys" that they will never understand. I tried to bypass those answers by asking a simpler question. The result was just as bad. The truth is, it doesn't matter how you ask.
I disagree; the truth is that it DOES matter how you ask. As for the rest, yes you will get those responses from some people here....ignore them, they aren't the ones with the knowledge to answer your question anyway.
This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 03:11 PM
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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.
Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.
"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended." Ya think????
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1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 07:03 PM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks. Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
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Re: Build Sheet info
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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.
Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.
"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended." Ya think????
Not offended, just not a door mat. It is nice the comments have changed directions.
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Re: Build Sheet info
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01/08/13 07:43 PM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks. Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383
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Re: Build Sheet info
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks. Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383
It is interesting how the 383 turquoise has a white crayon and the 440 orange has a black paint marker and the numbers are in different locations on the valve cover.
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