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Re: Green Bearings [Re: Scott Carl] #134482 10/19/08 02:11 PM 10/19/08 02:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: Quote: And this thread will still be going! I got my questions answered, so carry on I'm still readin' anyway Tapered Rollers are better....

Re: Green Bearings [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #134483 10/19/08 02:23 PM 10/19/08 02:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Quote: And this thread will still be going! I got my questions answered, so carry on I'm still readin' anyway Tapered Rollers are better.... No I really think Bushings are better and the grease of champions is Bacon grease! Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: HealthServices] #134484 10/19/08 02:36 PM 10/19/08 02:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: And this thread will still be going! I got my questions answered, so carry on I'm still readin' anyway Tapered Rollers are better.... No I really think Bushings are better and the grease of champions is Bacon grease! Only if you're using the vastly superior NYLON bushings! I've seen the bacon grease incompatability with brass bushings happen all too often.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: DoctorDiff] #134485 10/19/08 02:42 PM 10/19/08 02:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: Wheel bearings originally sat ON TOP of the 1/8" thick drum brake backing plate. If the wheel bearing bolts directly against the housing end, the axles will insert farther inside the differential and preload the thrust block. This will destroy Green wheel bearings in no time. Instructions for the Wilwood kit with the parking brake in the rotor hat are wrong. You MUST: 1. Use the loose 5 hole retainer that comes in the MO-400 (snap ring type) Green bearing kit to take up the space originally occupied by the drum brake backing plate. Use this plate between the housing end and the Wilwood backing plate. OR... 2. Remove the thrust block in the differential. BTW, all my rear disc brake kits work with stock or Green wheel bearings, and none require this modification. Of course I did not even see that. That's why you are the Dr.! In the diagram above it shows the how the Wilwood mounts. The stock backing plate would be between the the bearing retainer and that is gone now... So in order to get the bearing spaced out like it was you need to have the spacer there! Or like you said remove the thrust block and you are done. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: HealthServices] #134486 10/19/08 02:56 PM 10/19/08 02:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT DoctorDiff master
DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	Yes, place the 5 hole spacer between the wheel bearing snap ring and what Wilwood calls "axle flange tube". Contact info

Re: Green Bearings [Re: DoctorDiff] #134487 10/19/08 03:00 PM 10/19/08 03:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: HealthServices] #134488 10/19/08 03:05 PM 10/19/08 03:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	I am envisioning a whole lot of Green Bearing users taking off a rear wheel and checking their car against these diagrams right now....

Re: Green Bearings [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #134489 10/19/08 08:26 PM 10/19/08 08:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 693 Coronado, CA G go-fish mopar
go-fish mopar G Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 693 Coronado, CA	I guess Strange doesnt put a thrust block in the diff because I measured the axle and from the flange to inside of the splines and the ends of the axle wont be hitting anything in there. All the measurements show that there will be no pre-load. Is this sounding right? What does the thrust block look like? It is inside the third member? Forgive me but I don't know the internal parts of a diff very well but there is a shaft or rod thing in between the two axle ends directly in the center. If that is the thrust block the axle ends don't touch it anyway. I re-assembled everything without the 5 hole retainers since the measurements showed clear and I would hate to do this all over again slightly less than I would want to burn up bearings. 70 'cuda: ProCharged 408, Tremec 5 speed, S60,triangulated 4 link, Hydroboost and Wilwoods

Re: Green Bearings [Re: go-fish] #134490 10/19/08 08:31 PM 10/19/08 08:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT DoctorDiff master
DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	Thrust blocks are found only inside stock 8 3/4" and passenger car Dana 60 differentials. Some are dime size, some are quarter size. Both styles float back and forth between the 2 side gears. http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/axle/9.html Contact info

Re: Green Bearings [Re: DoctorDiff] #134491 10/19/08 09:24 PM 10/19/08 09:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	What is required to remove this? I assume it is not something you just knock out right? Last edited by HealthServices; 10/19/08 09:33 PM. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: HealthServices] #134492 10/19/08 09:51 PM 10/19/08 09:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC 4 446acuda master
446acuda master 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC	Here is a picture of the spacer removed. You have to split the case on cone type sure grips to get it out. On open differentals you have knock out the roll and push the shaft out far enough to get spacer out through the axle hole. 4761074-hemi948.jpg (263 downloads)

Re: Green Bearings [Re: 446acuda] #134493 10/19/08 10:33 PM 10/19/08 10:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 693 Coronado, CA G go-fish mopar
go-fish mopar G Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 693 Coronado, CA	I guess, luckiy for me, Strange didn't put one in mine 70 'cuda: ProCharged 408, Tremec 5 speed, S60,triangulated 4 link, Hydroboost and Wilwoods

Re: Green Bearings [Re: 446acuda] #134494 10/20/08 12:16 PM 10/20/08 12:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	So I guess you need to re do the back lash after removing the pin? Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: Green Bearings [Re: HealthServices] #134495 10/20/08 12:41 PM 10/20/08 12:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC 4 446acuda master
446acuda master 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC	yes, redo backlash/diff bearing preload just as described in the factory manual

Re: Green Bearings [Re: Scott Carl] #134496 10/20/08 02:15 PM 10/20/08 02:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Caution,when using Willwood setup with internal park brake and after market axles.Threaded studs with bolt or allen socket heads(on the back side of axle flange) may interfere with the park brake assembly. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Green Bearings [Re: B G Racing] #134497 10/24/08 12:03 AM 10/24/08 12:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT 67Charger master
67Charger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT	I know that losing the thrust block is an option, but there is another thing to consider. This setup leaves the snap-ring against the axle housing flange, but the entry is chamfered. The snap ring would only touch the flange at the extreme outer edge of the ring. I would want to use the old loose plate back there anyway just to give the snap-ring a solid purchase. Trouble is, if you cut a piece out of the old one to get it off teh axle, it can no longer fully support the snap-ring. You would need a new plate, or a new lock ring for when you R+R the bearings to get the plate off w/o damage. Just a point to ponder. 11.33 @ 118.46 on motor 10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023

Re: Green Bearings [Re: 67Charger] #134498 10/24/08 12:33 AM 10/24/08 12:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT DoctorDiff master
DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	If the (MO-400 or ST-400) Green bearings are already installed, you can unwind the snap-ring to easily remove the loose bearing retainer. Contact info

Re: Green Bearings [Re: DoctorDiff] #134499 10/24/08 12:47 AM 10/24/08 12:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT 67Charger master
67Charger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT	OOOOHHHH! He's a thinker that one! 11.33 @ 118.46 on motor 10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023

Re: Green Bearings [Re: 67Charger] #134500 10/28/08 02:29 AM 10/28/08 02:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT 67Charger master
67Charger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT	So where do the flange gaskets go, and which one where? If there is a steel spacer plate in there, does that need an extra gasket? Do you use any at all? The o-ring and seal SHOULD do it, but... ???? 11.33 @ 118.46 on motor 10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023

Re: Green Bearings [Re: 67Charger] #134501 10/28/08 01:22 PM 10/28/08 01:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT DoctorDiff master
DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	Inner gaskets are not required. The outer foam gasket keeps the retainer from bending over the wheel bearing snap ring as the 5 nuts are tightened. Contact info

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