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360 testing begins,.... #1338653 11/21/12 12:02 AM 11/21/12 12:02 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I recently began testing on my little 360 street engine and thought I would share a couple things. The basic rundown for initial testing is; Stock low mileage77 bottom end, small valve j heads with decent valve job,8.75 to 1 ( for now). I started testing with an M1 dual plane, MP 450/455 hydraulic cam, 670 Street Avenger,1 5/8" generic headers. This engine is not very exciting,but is a basis for future improvements. After dialing in timing and jetting,it makes 360 lbs-ft torque and 310 horsepower. I am running a stock truck style oil pan,standard oil pump, and started doing some oil testing. The engine pulled well up to 5500 with the pan filled to one pint below the add mark . I added one pint to bring it up to the add mark,no change. One more pint to bring it above that mark,and the engine starts to lose poor hard above 5000. It also starts losing a little pressure when coming off the high rpm,then settles back down,must be foaming the oil. No windage tray,15/40 Rotella More to come as time allows. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338654 11/21/12 12:11 AM 11/21/12 12:11 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Interesting stuff. Can't wait for the next "installment". Fastest 300

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Crizila] #1338655 11/21/12 12:42 PM 11/21/12 12:42 PM
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RAMM super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	This will be fun. Thankyou for taking the time to do this. I loved that cam back in the day. What RPM are you starting the pulls at? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: RAMM] #1338656 11/21/12 01:31 PM 11/21/12 01:31 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I am pulling it down to 2000 and the torque is good right out of the gate. I need to adjust the capacity valve and start a little lower. I would like to at least start low enough to see where the torque starts to climb. Basically 350 lbs-ft from 2-4000 rpm with little variance. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338657 11/21/12 09:10 PM 11/21/12 09:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.	What changes do you have in mind? I would be curious how a real manifold like a RPM would do on that combo I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: HotRodDave] #1338658 11/21/12 10:17 PM 11/21/12 10:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Quote: What changes do you have in mind? I would be curious how a real manifold like a RPM would do on that combo Intakes,cams,headers carburetors,and whatever else I come up with. Doing some oil viscosity testing first. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338659 11/22/12 03:23 AM 11/22/12 03:23 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden S sshemi top fuel
sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	Windage tray?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: sshemi] #1338660 11/22/12 04:05 AM 11/22/12 04:05 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora A ademon master
ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	i would love to see what happens with the pint over but with a windage tray added.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: ademon] #1338661 11/22/12 11:13 AM 11/22/12 11:13 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Most likely will run a tray,and possibly some other oil system mods. Will be interesting to see if it does much with a relatively low rpm engine. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338662 11/26/12 10:00 PM 11/26/12 10:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Did a little oil testing today, I started out with Rotella conventional15/40. Consistently made 360 lbs-ft and 305 hp. I then switched to Rotella synthetic 5/40 oil and ran it at the same oil and coolant temps. Consistently made 366 lbs-ft and 309 hp. I also adjusted the dyno water brake to allow me to pull the engine down to a lower rpm. At 1500 rpm,it makes 305 tq and dips to 290 at 1800, then rises quickly to hit 355 by 2200 rpm. I plan on doing more oil testing at a later date but need to work on some testing for an article so it may be a couple weeks. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338663 11/26/12 11:31 PM 11/26/12 11:31 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio Rapid340 top fuel
Rapid340 top fuel Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio	Thanks for the data. 1971 Factory Appearing Duster 340 11.000 @ 122 mph

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: ademon] #1338664 11/27/12 01:03 AM 11/27/12 01:03 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: i would love to see what happens with the pint over but with a windage tray added. The smallblock REALLY needs a crank scraper by it`s design and crank location in the block. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Rapid340] #1338665 11/27/12 01:27 AM 11/27/12 01:27 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Quote: Thanks for the data. Glad to share,hopefully some things I share will help somebody. As far as trays are concerned,I have a couple designs and ideas to try eventually. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338666 11/27/12 01:48 AM 11/27/12 01:48 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	I`ve read anywhere from 10-30+ hp w/a tray and good pan. Cool thing is you get to play with this stuff and see what your results are..............have fun. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1338667 11/27/12 11:43 AM 11/27/12 11:43 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio Rapid340 top fuel
Rapid340 top fuel Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio	Effects of pans, scrapers and trays will be different on dyno than on the track. 1971 Factory Appearing Duster 340 11.000 @ 122 mph

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Rapid340] #1338668 11/27/12 01:09 PM 11/27/12 01:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Maybe so but you can`t tell me the small block won`t pick up at the track w/good oil and windage controll...........that`s what the tray was designed for....Racing not dynoing.......... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1338669 11/27/12 01:30 PM 11/27/12 01:30 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio Rapid340 top fuel
Rapid340 top fuel Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,093 oberlin, Ohio	Quote: Maybe so but you can`t tell me the small block won`t pick up at the track w/good oil and windage controll My point: measuring the effects of some oil control mods may be hard to see on the dyno but very effective under the dynamics of 1/4 mile racing. 1971 Factory Appearing Duster 340 11.000 @ 122 mph

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1338670 11/27/12 01:32 PM 11/27/12 01:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Since I have already seen windage problems on this engine,I have no doubts we can see results on the dyno. The problem will only be worse at the track. Most testing that ever shows improvement on the dyno ends up tested at the track later. But who is going to pull their pan and swap trays for back to back track testing on the same day? Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Rapid340] #1338671 11/27/12 01:32 PM 11/27/12 01:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Maybe but didn`t you read his results of TOO much oil? 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1338672 11/27/12 01:40 PM 11/27/12 01:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas dannysbee master
dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	I have seen airation problems in very mild small block combos. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338673 11/27/12 03:25 PM 11/27/12 03:25 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Since I have already seen windage problems on this engine,I have no doubts we can see results on the dyno. The problem will only be worse at the track. Most testing that ever shows improvement on the dyno ends up tested at the track later. But who is going to pull their pan and swap trays for back to back track testing on the same day? Keith I don't even like changing jets at the track. Fastest 300

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Crizila] #1338674 11/27/12 05:54 PM 11/27/12 05:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,551 Marion,Indiana S Seth_Jones pro stock
Seth_Jones pro stock S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,551 Marion,Indiana	So as a rule does everybody at leat run the factory windage tray?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Seth_Jones] #1338675 11/27/12 06:31 PM 11/27/12 06:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington skrews mopar
skrews mopar Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington	always wanted to try adding a few rows of scraping louvers to a stock tray, sorta like the Milodon tray

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338676 11/27/12 10:59 PM 11/27/12 10:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va fasteddie mopar
fasteddie mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va	A few years ago when I built the current motor the concensus was to run no tray but a deep 8 qt. pan with only 5 qts in it. I would like to see that tested. 2003 Bristol Dragway Sportsman Champion 2016 Bristol Dragway Power Hour Champion

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: fasteddie] #1338677 11/28/12 04:32 AM 11/28/12 04:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,485 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,485 SoCal	Quote: A few years ago when I built the current motor the concensus was to run no tray but a deep 8 qt. pan with only 5 qts in it. I would like to see that tested. Exactly...most common problem is overfilling a pan. First you have to pour the pan and measure how much water it will hold up to the top of the sump. Then add 1Qt for the engine system and filter and 1/2Qt to keep the level consistent while running. Most guys who run a 7Qt pan end up with 8Qts of oil in the engine and nothing will hurt power and bearings quicker!! Windage trays that are bolted to the main caps and not in the pan hold too much oil too close to the crank allowing the crankshaft to pull the oil back up on it instead of allowing it to flow into the sump. So if this happens on the dyno, you can bet it's gonna happen much worse on a drag strip! Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1338678 12/03/12 02:42 PM 12/03/12 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Mu Mercedes 2.8 six has a cast aluminum oil pan with scraper fingers cast into the bottom of the pan. They also are turned to direct the scraped-off oil into the sump. This is a short stroke engine and there must have been a reason they went to all the trouble... R.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: dogdays] #1338679 12/16/12 10:59 PM 12/16/12 10:59 PM
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aspenrt360 super stock Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston	anything new to report? 2013 Chrysler 300 touring 1974 Dodge Charger SE. 360-727-8.75-3.23 sure grip 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: aspenrt360] #1338680 12/16/12 11:10 PM 12/16/12 11:10 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Actually,quite a few things. I have been testing on this engine at least 3 or 4 days a week testing multiple things. I need to go in for a total shoulder replacement surgery in a couple weeks. My goal is to get all my testing done beforehand so I can write a couple articles and update you guys while I recover. I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change. The oil testing showed small gains with every drop in viscosity but had minimal oil pressure drop even down to 5-20. Ill try to update things a little better when I can. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338681 12/17/12 04:24 PM 12/17/12 04:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston aspenrt360 super stock
aspenrt360 super stock Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston	thanks a lot for the reply i am going to follow this thread it looks to be interesting. good luck with your shoulder! 2013 Chrysler 300 touring 1974 Dodge Charger SE. 360-727-8.75-3.23 sure grip 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338682 12/17/12 04:42 PM 12/17/12 04:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Good luck with the Surgery, Keith! Oil windage to me seems a lot less like a power adder compared to years past when oil was 40 and 50 weight, even todays race oils are a lot thinner and if you keep the foaming down it seems harder to find the measurable gains we used to see in decades past. Not saying it's not worth persuing but the big WOW type gains (or loss reductions) seem harder to come by. Surfactants have come a long way...all the way down the driveline too. I'd like to find somebody to deepen and baffle a 318 truck pan for me and extand the pick-up the equal amount, since I can run one on my bracket toy, the advantages of a rear sump seem like a slam-dunk for drag racing. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338683 12/17/12 04:58 PM 12/17/12 04:58 PM
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Paul_Fancsali master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,931	Just a thought.The 15wt 40wt being a diesel base oil were not really intended for higher RPM and possibility of foaming. Lesson learned by me I will use any oil depending on temp and weather conditions, but curious how well it pulls with 5-20 or the 5-30. Valvoline makes a 10wt 30wt racing oil that seems to do the trick My 10 cents

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1338684 12/17/12 07:03 PM 12/17/12 07:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Quote: Just a thought.The 15wt 40wt being a diesel base oil were not really intended for higher RPM and possibility of foaming. = I know a guy with a 900" Sonny's engine. The car goes well into the 6's. They told him to run Rotella in it, so he does. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338685 12/18/12 10:12 AM 12/18/12 10:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida Locomotion master
Locomotion master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida	Quote: I'd like to find somebody to deepen and baffle a 318 truck pan for me and extand the pick-up the equal amount, since I can run one on my bracket toy, the advantages of a rear sump seem like a slam-dunk for drag racing. Milodon has a deep, rear sump truck pan for 318/340 applications. Milodon 30980 318 truck pan I'm sure there are others available if the Milodon is too deep. Related to the original thread topic, I've been using 5w-20 Amsoil Dominator synthetic oil with a scraper on my 360 and have been very happy. I've even seen changes in idle speed when switching from thicker conventional oils used for break-in to the 5w-20. From straight 30w or 40w, it was obvious. From 15w-40, I believe it was slight. Last edited by Locomotion; 12/18/12 10:18 AM.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Locomotion] #1338686 12/18/12 07:27 PM 12/18/12 07:27 PM
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65signet mopar 6 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 498 El Dorado Ca	1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 M/SA 1970 Plymouth Duster 360/904 10.60s with J heads

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: 65signet] #1338687 12/24/12 08:42 PM 12/24/12 08:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	What 65 said above...

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: cudadoug] #1338688 12/25/12 01:24 AM 12/25/12 01:24 AM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Quote: But who is going to pull their pan and swap trays for back to back track testing on the same day? Class racers 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1338689 12/26/12 12:40 AM 12/26/12 12:40 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I'm watching this thread for ideas... My non-race truck engine has seen 7,000+ rpms all too many times on 15/40 Rotella without any issues ever. No windage tray or scrapers - just the factory Dakota pan. I've often wondered if lighter oil would yield performance benefits - but have been hesitant to change or try a lighter oil since it's been so trouble free.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Duner] #1338690 01/15/13 04:37 PM 01/15/13 04:37 PM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Lets see if these attachments will show up,....... 7548070-IMG_20130115_122631.jpg (145 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338691 01/15/13 04:40 PM 01/15/13 04:40 PM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Last one was horsepower here is torque,..... 7548078-IMG_20130115_122611.jpg (107 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338692 01/15/13 04:43 PM 01/15/13 04:43 PM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	In graph form,sorry the pictures aren't the best. I'm a one armed photographer for a while yet,....... 7548081-IMG_20130115_122400.jpg (91 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338693 01/15/13 04:52 PM 01/15/13 04:52 PM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	These tests were just basic store shelf Valvoline . I used 10w40 10w30 and 05w20. Each was run with 160 degree coolant and 190 degree oil temps +/- 2 degrees throughout the pulls. A few things are different on this engine from the first tests I talked about. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338694 01/15/13 04:52 PM 01/15/13 04:52 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Is that 15W40 vs 5W/30? WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338695 01/15/13 07:19 PM 01/15/13 07:19 PM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Hey,Bobby! You must have been typing at the same time as me. I posted right above yours ,there are three tests there. One is pretty hard to see on the graph. I tried to make the file names self explanatory ( 10w40oil) etc. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338696 01/16/13 12:24 AM 01/16/13 12:24 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 598 NC, USA D davenc mopar
davenc mopar D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 598 NC, USA	It is a little hard for me to read from the photos but it appears the 10W30 outperforms below the torque peak, and the 0W20 outperforms above the torque peak. It makes sense to me that the lighter oil does better at high revs. Any thoughts on the 10W30 results at lower RPM?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: davenc] #1338697 01/16/13 04:30 PM 01/16/13 04:30 PM
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aspenrt360 super stock Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston	glad you are back and able to post! 2013 Chrysler 300 touring 1974 Dodge Charger SE. 360-727-8.75-3.23 sure grip 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: aspenrt360] #1338698 01/16/13 04:57 PM 01/16/13 04:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Thanks! davenrc, I would take the rel low rpm stuff and ignore it. Most dyno operators don't bother starting tests below 3-3500 rpm. I do with these street engines because there is a lot to be learned below that point. I have to run extra water through a valve on the back of the dyno to do it and the adjustment can be sensitive . It probably vibrated and moved a little. I have since these tests figured out a way to lock the setting in while testing a few camshafts in this engine between 1800-5800 rpm. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338699 01/16/13 05:05 PM 01/16/13 05:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Keith, EXACTLY how much oil are you putting in the motor? I run a stock truck pan on my 414 with exactly 5 1/2 quarts w/filter and it clears the rods/crank. I would actually prefer to modify this pan to be deeper before the sump with just a screen/baffle, very simple to fab but I can't find anyone local I trust to do it for me, probably wind up doing the Milodon. I have no cross-member below the block so it's wide open. The way the motor is set inthe Rocky my center link actually passes across the gap between the front of the block/pan and the harmonic balancer I ALWAYS prefer a rear sump pan for drag racing (so long as the chassis/steering linkage will accomodate one, no matter how good or deep the front sump design may be. 7549537-Lowercontrolarmbrace.JPG (39 downloads) Last edited by Streetwize; 01/16/13 05:07 PM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338700 01/16/13 05:19 PM 01/16/13 05:19 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	The way the motor is set inthe Rocky my center link actually passes across the gap between the front of the block/pan and the harmonic balancer ... Thats where the front drive axle goes ....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: emarine01] #1338701 01/16/13 05:29 PM 01/16/13 05:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Well the front axle used to go there You can see the center link in the pic I think, the horizonal bar below it I added to keep the lower control arm pivot points from spreading apart when the wheelie is over WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: ademon] #1338702 01/17/13 04:00 AM 01/17/13 04:00 AM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA W Winchester 73 member
Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: i would love to see what happens with the pint over but with a windage tray added. i think its kind of a moot point considering data from a stationary engine on a dyno is different from a motor moving and the oil sloshing up into the crank.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338703 01/17/13 04:13 AM 01/17/13 04:13 AM
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Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	intrested in testing a set of old school iorn adjustable rockers for free?i got pushrods too.you pay shipping from wa state? been trying to get rid of these damn things forever

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338704 01/17/13 09:31 AM 01/17/13 09:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Slosh and windage both cause issues. Builders have tested trays and baffles for years on dynos with good results Anyway ,I have been using 5 1/2 quarts with the filter. That is right at the add line on this dipstick . I do plan on testing a factory tray and a design of my own later,I have heard that tray ad scraper design can be very humbling . www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338705 01/17/13 09:36 AM 01/17/13 09:36 AM
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Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Winchester73, I am interested in your rocker arms,I have looked at some on here but have not pulled the trigger . I have a couple of small solid lifter cams I want to try in this later. I'll be in touch. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338706 01/17/13 12:14 PM 01/17/13 12:14 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Obviously it's your testing and about what you want to test... but I'm still curious about Rotella 15/40 vs lightweight oils. I've had great luck with keeping my junk together while running it - but wonder how much HP I am leaving on the table as well, or really whether it even needs this heavy weight of oil. Mine isn't a race car or even close to one - but it does get put thru it's paces once in a while.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338707 01/22/13 10:40 PM 01/22/13 10:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA W Winchester 73 member
Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: Winchester73, I am interested in your rocker arms,I have looked at some on here but have not pulled the trigger . I have a couple of small solid lifter cams I want to try in this later. I'll be in touch. Keith sorry it took so long to get back on- dont dare buy any.REALLY no body wants mine.ive got a full set ov good rockers and a set minus one of some really hi po p-rods(7/16" thick and light)and a full set of stocker 273 rods.mix and match big on intake small on exhaust or get a replacement to fix the good set ide try running these on a hyrd cam first-ive alwaye heard adj rockers make power even not on a solid cam becose the lash is better?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338708 01/22/13 10:46 PM 01/22/13 10:46 PM
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cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Quote: "I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change." I'll bite: Change to WHAT cam and intake??

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338709 01/23/13 07:05 PM 01/23/13 07:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Winchester73, Several days ago I tried to p.m. you about buying your rocker arms. A notice popped up saying you were not accepting p.m.'s. I then emailed the address in your profile and never heard back?? I didn't expect them for free but I am interested. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: cudadoug] #1338710 01/23/13 07:10 PM 01/23/13 07:10 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Quote: Quote: "I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change." I'll bite: Change to WHAT cam and intake?? I'm testing a few cams for Mopar Muscle in it. The one in it when I wrote that statement was a Comp Cams Thumper. I also had a Torker2 intake on it then. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338711 01/23/13 08:40 PM 01/23/13 08:40 PM
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Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	sorry i never check my email,ill try to change my profile and get it to accept pms so i can get an address.gave up smallblocks.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338712 02/03/13 03:03 PM 02/03/13 03:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 20 Colorado D Dirt Slinger member
Dirt Slinger member D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 20 Colorado	Any updates? Very interested building a 9-1 500cfm 4412 engine per our rules (IMCA Northern Sport Mod). Like to see a intake comparison (stealth, victor jr. and X-celerater). Need to make about 400hp 360ci plus over bore NO head porting. Last edited by Dirt Slinger; 02/03/13 06:32 PM.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dirt Slinger] #1338713 02/04/13 02:21 AM 02/04/13 02:21 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I'll see if I have anything interesting I can post soon. A lot of testing has been done,but most of it was for a couple of articles. I am sure I can come up with some tests to post though. I started out with the M1 dual plane and switched to a Torker2. Surprisingly,it lost almost nothing down low but saw nice gains up top. I will post that up soon. I have a couple other intakes to test too. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338714 02/06/13 01:37 AM 02/06/13 01:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Here is the same 360, Comp Cams Thumper . The First line is with the M1 dual plane,second line is an Edelbrock Torker2. Horsepower comparison , 7577276-IMG_20130205_232853.jpg (77 downloads) Last edited by Dunnuck Racing; 02/06/13 01:40 AM. www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338715 02/06/13 01:42 AM 02/06/13 01:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Torque comparison 7577285-IMG_20130205_232829.jpg (57 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338716 02/06/13 01:45 AM 02/06/13 01:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Graph. The Torker2 line is the lighter one. Keith 7577288-IMG_20130205_222753.jpg (65 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

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