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Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338693
01/15/13 04:52 PM
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These tests were just basic store shelf Valvoline . I used 10w40 10w30 and 05w20. Each was run with 160 degree coolant and 190 degree oil temps +/- 2 degrees throughout the pulls.
A few things are different on this engine from the first tests I talked about.
Keith

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338694
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Is that 15W40 vs 5W/30?


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Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338695
01/15/13 07:19 PM
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Hey,Bobby!
You must have been typing at the same time as me. I posted right above yours ,there are three tests there. One is pretty hard to see on the graph. I tried to make the file names self explanatory ( 10w40oil) etc.
Keith

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338696
01/16/13 12:24 AM
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It is a little hard for me to read from the photos but it appears the 10W30 outperforms below the torque peak, and the 0W20 outperforms above the torque peak. It makes sense to me that the lighter oil does better at high revs. Any thoughts on the 10W30 results at lower RPM?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: davenc] #1338697
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glad you are back and able to post!


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Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: aspenrt360] #1338698
01/16/13 04:57 PM
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Thanks!
davenrc,
I would take the rel low rpm stuff and ignore it. Most dyno operators don't bother starting tests below 3-3500 rpm. I do with these street engines because there is a lot to be learned below that point.
I have to run extra water through a valve on the back of the dyno to do it and the adjustment can be sensitive .
It probably vibrated and moved a little.
I have since these tests figured out a way to lock the setting in while testing a few camshafts in this engine between 1800-5800 rpm.
Keith

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338699
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Keith,

EXACTLY how much oil are you putting in the motor?

I run a stock truck pan on my 414 with exactly 5 1/2 quarts w/filter and it clears the rods/crank. I would actually prefer to modify this pan to be deeper before the sump with just a screen/baffle, very simple to fab but I can't find anyone local I trust to do it for me, probably wind up doing the Milodon. I have no cross-member below the block so it's wide open. The way the motor is set inthe Rocky my center link actually passes across the gap between the front of the block/pan and the harmonic balancer

I ALWAYS prefer a rear sump pan for drag racing (so long as the chassis/steering linkage will accomodate one, no matter how good or deep the front sump design may be.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338700
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The way the motor is set inthe Rocky my center link actually passes across the gap between the front of the block/pan and the harmonic balancer

... Thats where the front drive axle goes ....

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: emarine01] #1338701
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Well the front axle used to go there

You can see the center link in the pic I think, the horizonal bar below it I added to keep the lower control arm pivot points from spreading apart when the wheelie is over


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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: ademon] #1338702
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Quote:

i would love to see what happens with the pint over but with a windage tray added.




i think its kind of a moot point considering data from a stationary engine on a dyno is different from a motor moving and the oil sloshing up into the crank.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338703
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intrested in testing a set of old school iorn adjustable rockers for free?i got pushrods too.you pay shipping from wa state?

been trying to get rid of these damn things forever

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Slosh and windage both cause issues. Builders have tested trays and baffles for years on dynos with good results
Anyway ,I have been using 5 1/2 quarts with the filter. That is right at the add line on this dipstick .
I do plan on testing a factory tray and a design of my own later,I have heard that tray ad scraper design can be very humbling .

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338705
01/17/13 09:36 AM
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Winchester73, I am interested in your rocker arms,I have looked at some on here but have not pulled the trigger .
I have a couple of small solid lifter cams I want to try in this later. I'll be in touch.
Keith

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Obviously it's your testing and about what you want to test...
but I'm still curious about Rotella 15/40 vs lightweight oils. I've had great luck with keeping my junk together while running it - but wonder how much HP I am leaving on the table as well, or really whether it even needs this heavy weight of oil. Mine isn't a race car or even close to one - but it does get put thru it's paces once in a while.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338707
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Quote:

Winchester73, I am interested in your rocker arms,I have looked at some on here but have not pulled the trigger .
I have a couple of small solid lifter cams I want to try in this later. I'll be in touch.
Keith



sorry it took so long to get back on-
dont dare buy any.REALLY no body wants mine.ive got a full set ov good rockers and a set minus one of some really hi po p-rods(7/16" thick and light)and a full set of stocker 273 rods.mix and match big on intake small on exhaust or get a replacement to fix the good set

ide try running these on a hyrd cam first-ive alwaye heard adj rockers make power even not on a solid cam becose the lash is better?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338708
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Quote: "I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change."

I'll bite: Change to WHAT cam and intake??

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338709
01/23/13 07:05 PM
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Winchester73,
Several days ago I tried to p.m. you about buying your rocker arms. A notice popped up saying you were not accepting p.m.'s. I then emailed the address in your profile and never heard back??
I didn't expect them for free but I am interested.
Keith

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: cudadoug] #1338710
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Quote:

Quote: "I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change."

I'll bite: Change to WHAT cam and intake??




I'm testing a few cams for Mopar Muscle in it. The one in it when I wrote that statement was a Comp Cams Thumper.
I also had a Torker2 intake on it then.
Keith

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sorry i never check my email,ill try to change my profile and get it to accept pms so i can get an address.gave up smallblocks.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Winchester 73] #1338712
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Any updates?

Very interested building a 9-1 500cfm 4412 engine per our rules (IMCA Northern Sport Mod). Like to see a intake comparison (stealth, victor jr. and X-celerater). Need to make about 400hp 360ci plus over bore NO head porting.

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