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Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338673 11/27/12 03:25 PM 11/27/12 03:25 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Since I have already seen windage problems on this engine,I have no doubts we can see results on the dyno. The problem will only be worse at the track. Most testing that ever shows improvement on the dyno ends up tested at the track later. But who is going to pull their pan and swap trays for back to back track testing on the same day? Keith I don't even like changing jets at the track. Fastest 300

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Crizila] #1338674 11/27/12 05:54 PM 11/27/12 05:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,551 Marion,Indiana S Seth_Jones pro stock
Seth_Jones pro stock S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,551 Marion,Indiana	So as a rule does everybody at leat run the factory windage tray?

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Seth_Jones] #1338675 11/27/12 06:31 PM 11/27/12 06:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington skrews mopar
skrews mopar Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington	always wanted to try adding a few rows of scraping louvers to a stock tray, sorta like the Milodon tray

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338676 11/27/12 10:59 PM 11/27/12 10:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va fasteddie mopar
fasteddie mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va	A few years ago when I built the current motor the concensus was to run no tray but a deep 8 qt. pan with only 5 qts in it. I would like to see that tested. 2003 Bristol Dragway Sportsman Champion 2016 Bristol Dragway Power Hour Champion

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: fasteddie] #1338677 11/28/12 04:32 AM 11/28/12 04:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: A few years ago when I built the current motor the concensus was to run no tray but a deep 8 qt. pan with only 5 qts in it. I would like to see that tested. Exactly...most common problem is overfilling a pan. First you have to pour the pan and measure how much water it will hold up to the top of the sump. Then add 1Qt for the engine system and filter and 1/2Qt to keep the level consistent while running. Most guys who run a 7Qt pan end up with 8Qts of oil in the engine and nothing will hurt power and bearings quicker!! Windage trays that are bolted to the main caps and not in the pan hold too much oil too close to the crank allowing the crankshaft to pull the oil back up on it instead of allowing it to flow into the sump. So if this happens on the dyno, you can bet it's gonna happen much worse on a drag strip! Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1338678 12/03/12 02:42 PM 12/03/12 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Mu Mercedes 2.8 six has a cast aluminum oil pan with scraper fingers cast into the bottom of the pan. They also are turned to direct the scraped-off oil into the sump. This is a short stroke engine and there must have been a reason they went to all the trouble... R.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: dogdays] #1338679 12/16/12 10:59 PM 12/16/12 10:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston aspenrt360 super stock
aspenrt360 super stock Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston	anything new to report? 2013 Chrysler 300 touring 1974 Dodge Charger SE. 360-727-8.75-3.23 sure grip 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: aspenrt360] #1338680 12/16/12 11:10 PM 12/16/12 11:10 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Actually,quite a few things. I have been testing on this engine at least 3 or 4 days a week testing multiple things. I need to go in for a total shoulder replacement surgery in a couple weeks. My goal is to get all my testing done beforehand so I can write a couple articles and update you guys while I recover. I will tell you now that it's at 365 hp and 402 lbs-ft with a cam and intake change. The oil testing showed small gains with every drop in viscosity but had minimal oil pressure drop even down to 5-20. Ill try to update things a little better when I can. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338681 12/17/12 04:24 PM 12/17/12 04:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston aspenrt360 super stock
aspenrt360 super stock Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 855 ontario canada kingston	thanks a lot for the reply i am going to follow this thread it looks to be interesting. good luck with your shoulder! 2013 Chrysler 300 touring 1974 Dodge Charger SE. 360-727-8.75-3.23 sure grip 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338682 12/17/12 04:42 PM 12/17/12 04:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,870 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,870 Weddington, N.C.	Good luck with the Surgery, Keith! Oil windage to me seems a lot less like a power adder compared to years past when oil was 40 and 50 weight, even todays race oils are a lot thinner and if you keep the foaming down it seems harder to find the measurable gains we used to see in decades past. Not saying it's not worth persuing but the big WOW type gains (or loss reductions) seem harder to come by. Surfactants have come a long way...all the way down the driveline too. I'd like to find somebody to deepen and baffle a 318 truck pan for me and extand the pick-up the equal amount, since I can run one on my bracket toy, the advantages of a rear sump seem like a slam-dunk for drag racing. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338683 12/17/12 04:58 PM 12/17/12 04:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,931 P Paul_Fancsali master
Paul_Fancsali master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,931	Just a thought.The 15wt 40wt being a diesel base oil were not really intended for higher RPM and possibility of foaming. Lesson learned by me I will use any oil depending on temp and weather conditions, but curious how well it pulls with 5-20 or the 5-30. Valvoline makes a 10wt 30wt racing oil that seems to do the trick My 10 cents

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1338684 12/17/12 07:03 PM 12/17/12 07:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Quote: Just a thought.The 15wt 40wt being a diesel base oil were not really intended for higher RPM and possibility of foaming. = I know a guy with a 900" Sonny's engine. The car goes well into the 6's. They told him to run Rotella in it, so he does. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Streetwize] #1338685 12/18/12 10:12 AM 12/18/12 10:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida Locomotion master
Locomotion master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida	Quote: I'd like to find somebody to deepen and baffle a 318 truck pan for me and extand the pick-up the equal amount, since I can run one on my bracket toy, the advantages of a rear sump seem like a slam-dunk for drag racing. Milodon has a deep, rear sump truck pan for 318/340 applications. Milodon 30980 318 truck pan I'm sure there are others available if the Milodon is too deep. Related to the original thread topic, I've been using 5w-20 Amsoil Dominator synthetic oil with a scraper on my 360 and have been very happy. I've even seen changes in idle speed when switching from thicker conventional oils used for break-in to the 5w-20. From straight 30w or 40w, it was obvious. From 15w-40, I believe it was slight. Last edited by Locomotion; 12/18/12 10:18 AM.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Locomotion] #1338686 12/18/12 07:27 PM 12/18/12 07:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 498 El Dorado Ca 6 65signet mopar
65signet mopar 6 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 498 El Dorado Ca	1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 M/SA 1970 Plymouth Duster 360/904 10.60s with J heads

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: 65signet] #1338687 12/24/12 08:42 PM 12/24/12 08:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	What 65 said above...

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: cudadoug] #1338688 12/25/12 01:24 AM 12/25/12 01:24 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee master
sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Quote: But who is going to pull their pan and swap trays for back to back track testing on the same day? Class racers 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1338689 12/26/12 12:40 AM 12/26/12 12:40 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I'm watching this thread for ideas... My non-race truck engine has seen 7,000+ rpms all too many times on 15/40 Rotella without any issues ever. No windage tray or scrapers - just the factory Dakota pan. I've often wondered if lighter oil would yield performance benefits - but have been hesitant to change or try a lighter oil since it's been so trouble free.

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Duner] #1338690 01/15/13 04:37 PM 01/15/13 04:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Lets see if these attachments will show up,....... 7548070-IMG_20130115_122631.jpg (145 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338691 01/15/13 04:40 PM 01/15/13 04:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Last one was horsepower here is torque,..... 7548078-IMG_20130115_122611.jpg (106 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: 360 testing begins,.... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1338692 01/15/13 04:43 PM 01/15/13 04:43 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing OP master
Dunnuck Racing OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	In graph form,sorry the pictures aren't the best. I'm a one armed photographer for a while yet,....... 7548081-IMG_20130115_122400.jpg (91 downloads) www.dunnuckracing.com

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