Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: Biginchmopar]
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11/08/12 03:26 AM
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If were me I would get a set of Super Victor Max Wedge heads and the Super Victor Intake 4500. Get a good roller cam and build something around 500CID. This kind of combo will get 600 all day long.
The steath heads are just a 906 aluminum head.
One more thing I would use aluminum caps and forget the girdle.
Good luck! Keep us posted.
please no offense intended but good lord he said he's wanting 600 hp, you just named off $7000 worth of parts most of which are unnecessary for the level he's wanting. yes i know all about upgrading in the future but you have to draw the line somewhere
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: CSK]
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11/08/12 11:17 AM
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My motor is around 600 hp. It's a stock stroke RB, with .590 cam, J E domes, over 12.5.1 comp, aftermarket I beam rods, RPM's by MCH, milled to 76 cc, 5000 converter. Best time in sig, i think it's got a 10.0 in it as it sits. I plan to take a little weight out over winter. BTW, the short block came from a member here. He ran stage V1 heads on it and ran 9.92. Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: CudaPete]
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11/08/12 12:28 PM
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If it were my project I would bore the 400 to 4.375, use the stock stroke crank if it doesn't need to be reground, h beam rods and flat top pistons at zero deck. If you want to go stroker kit, you can offset grind the 440 crank or go all the way to 512 cubes with 4.25 stroke /4.375 bore. get SOME porting done to get flow up to 290 to 300 cfm, open the intake ports to max wedge size and go with an Indy low deck single plane manifold. Run the 590 cam, with 1.6 rockers if you buy new ones. If you cut the heads for more compression, you should make the 600 you want. After this, it is carb and header selection that will make the difference, and with the low exhaust port heads combined with the low deck you can find some good headers for it. Like most have said, this won't be tough to do, just pay attention to detail. Get the block line bored, decked, honed with torque plates, and use file fit rings. I have run aluminum main caps, and would go that way If this motor may see more than 600 hp. Otherwise if the bob weight comes in real light, and the rpm is low the stock caps ought to do.
8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: dstryr]
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11/08/12 11:30 PM
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i cracked a 440 block. running below 10.20s on a 440, stock crank 265@50 640ish cam solid old indy heads @ 335cfm. the cam in at 104 made 605 corrected and ran 10.70s. in at 108 it went 10.20 first day 3rd pass. went a season like that and cracked up through the mains. i built a late thick main 440 and girdle. it better go past a season. trhe mains are over .120 thicker. i will build a 400 stroker 451 or 470 next time. they are much stronger.
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: CudaPete]
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11/09/12 04:25 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. What intake recomendations would you guys have, and carb thoughts too. I already and running fenderwell headers, and its not a street car so fitting the 440 won't be an issue.
Another question, how much weight can I get rid of switching to Lexan windows.
Thanks Pete
i don't know offhand but there are numbers available around the web, it is a noteworthy amount especially if you include the regulators. as i mentioned it's an overall package the performs well. if it's a race car make it as light as you reasonably can. my father always told me it's easier to find a hundred places to take out one pound than one place to take out a hundred, you want to pull the minimum weight you can. spend time removing weight you can it's a maintenance free performance improvement.
you mentioned a 727, if it doesn't have a good sprag in it consider a sprag, LBA valve body and budget permitting a steel drum in that order.
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: CudaPete]
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11/09/12 10:04 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. What intake recomendations would you guys have, and carb thoughts too. I already and running fenderwell headers, and its not a street car so fitting the 440 won't be an issue.
Another question, how much weight can I get rid of switching to Lexan windows.
Thanks Pete
Sounds like you are leaning heavily towards the 440 block. The more cubes you put in that block, the lighter the parts get due to the very tall deck height. I have run 535 cubes in a 440 block, 4.5 stroke and 4.350 bore. Using a 7.10 rod with .990 piston pins and 2.2 rod journals makes for a good combo to get there. The piston gets real light due to a compression height of 1.35. They make a TON of torque and are very low rpm motors with small port heads.
8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: Building a 440--Need advice
[Re: gregsdart]
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11/09/12 11:12 AM
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I have a 440 stroked to 499 12.5-1 comp. .620 solid roller cam, ported stage VI heads, ported stage VI intake to go with the raised port heads,1050 dominator, and I believe it makes somewhere around 600 ponies at the flywheel. 3800 lb Charger goes 10.50's.
67' charger 499 RB
10.57 at 127
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