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68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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I have bought my 1st resto project. Its a 68 charger in sad shape, but I hope to fix that. I have thoughts of making it into a dayclona. It came with a 383 single exhaust, air, center console shift auto, basically a very worthless, boring charger., which I won't feal bad about it not going back to. So why not a Daytona? I see there is tons of stuff on the net to rebuild them and/or convert. Question I have is- will it be worth more as a tricked 68 charger or converted fake daytona?
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My opinion only, you'll get further along $$$ wise by keeping it a charger. How much money can you spend and how many of the conver$ion part$ do you already have? Not much worse than a half-baked 'tona or 'bird Maybe save the daytona for the next car you build. 
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i'd keep it a Charger. One of the best looking cars on the planet is a '68 Charger. Black with a red R/T stripe.
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Thanks guys, you confirmed what I thought. I kinda figured I should keep it a charger, I do think they are a better overall hotrod for overall rodding,draging,etc.
It will indeed be my 1st resto but I have many years of 68-70 mopar b body experience, and many restorer friends. I've had 3- 1970 roadrunners, none of which needed restoring. The 1st I got in 1970, 2 weeks before the 1970 daytona firecraker 400, which was my 1st nascar race to see live. I was 15. The 30 or so winged warriors in that race have burned in my brain ever since. I really want a clona, and don't want to butcher a more valuable charger to make one. I do love the 68 charger, but just a hair less than the daytona, even if it is fake.
Either way I decide I hope you guys will help me with info, tips, etc..
Where is the best deal on dipping it in a vat after I strp it for the rust?
I live in the midsouth. Does amd do that?
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Can't help with the dipping question, but spend some time researching your options.
If you want to at least learn more about cloning a Daytona, and for more good info on your charger, consider charger.com and the aero car section. 
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I agree, with a '68 the Bullit is the way to go if you want to clone something.
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Re: 68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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I have the charger home now and have started thrashing on it. I think it has a 383 in it. I have a pic but need to shrink it, will post as soon as I figure that out. What are some of the obvious visual differences between a 383 and a 318?
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318 will have the distributor in the rear, a 383 on up will have it in the front.
Post a picture of the fender tag.
I can't afford this.
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I have the charger home now and have started thrashing on it. I think it has a 383 in it. I have a pic but need to shrink it, will post as soon as I figure that out. What are some of the obvious visual differences between a 383 and a 318?
318 (and all small blocks)
Dist in back
Intake seals top of motor
Aluminum front cover that WP bolts onto
383 (and all big blocks)
Dist on right front
intake has a belly pan underneath to seal top of engine
Stamped steel front cover with a WP housing that spans over cover.
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Serial Number decoder http://dodgechargers.tripod.com/decode.htmlPost any pics and fender tag info for more help. Sounds like you are new to this game. Please take it easy and try not to tear it up and get discouraged. Better to go easy and a step at a time. You can review MuuMuu's thread on his Dart in the Survivor and restoration section.
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RGR THT. THNX. Looks like I got a big block 383 4bbl,. single exhaust seems odd. I will post pics soon. vin#xp29g8b------..
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Re: 68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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Good luck on the restoration/restification. Going the Daytona route would produce a VERY cool car, but being that the parts to clone out to a Daytona and the fact the car's a '68 would mean more costly mod's. Your biggest bang for the buck would make it into a cloned R/T in whatever paint scheme you'd like....
Have fun !!!
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Re: 68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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Thnx for learning me on the motor, I have never looked at a 318. But I didn't remember any single exhaust 383 chargers. I am new to restoring, and its been many years since my last mopar. I never messed with any other motors except the 383. Glad to see it is a 383, but is it a 383 that I can make big hp with or is it a motor that can't be beefed up a lot? I think I read it is 330hp or something wimpy like that.
actually it's a 383 2bbl rated at 290hp, BUT the good news is that Mopar (unlike most other makes) didn't have alot of differences between their HP motors and their regular ones. Your 383 is capable of producing as much power as you want, from an aluminum headed 500+ hp stroker to a nice healthy 350 - 400hp street 383.
My first thought when I read the first few posts was that this is a perfect car to do a clone with. I agree with the others that '68 is the best looking Charger and it will always be worth a little less as a clone Daytona being a '68 instead of a '69 as well as requiring more work to appear correct.
Now that it's a big block car, I'd restore it as a 383 Charger and just spice up the motor and add some R/T bits like the HP manifolds, intake, carb, dual exhaust, etc. The one thing I've always said about the Chargers is that compared to a Coronet/Superbee, the base Charger gets the gauges and has no special hood for the R/T so I'm much more inclined to buy a 383 Charger over a 383 Coronet 500 for eg.
Anyhow, good luck with the car whatever you decide to do. There is always someone on Moparts that can answer just about any question so don't be shy and make sure you have a thick skin.
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Re: 68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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I would build it like the 68 in the movie Christine!!! Blue with some Cragar S/S!!!!  Save your cash on the daytona clone parts and build a 496 stroker from muscle motors and keep the "sleeper" image alive on this car!! Daytonas are cool, but clones of them are played out!
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I would build it like the 68 in the movie Christine!!! Blue with some Cragar S/S!!!!
Funny, I think my charger was about that color blue, maybe a little lighter blue tho, and I like that charger in christine also., And love the movie. One of my old RR's was possessed and would drive itself without me steering. Actually, it pulled a little to the left and the brakes pulled to the right. I freaked out a lot of my friends.
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in front of the intake, to the drivers side of the distributer, if there is a flat pad, about the width of 3 fingers, it's a 440. if the pad is there it will be stamped with a letter, then the engine size. example E440 would be 1969 440.
looks like a great project, and I vote for the Christine Charger!
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Re: 68 charger conversion to 69 dayclona ?
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OK, It is a 383, I see a B on the block. I want to make some HP with a motor. I may have found a 78 new-yorker or something like that with a 440 in it, running for $800. Would I be able to make more HP cheaper,easier or be better off with that 440 rather than the 383? I am willing to put a couple grand or so in the motor rebuild. Thinking of building a mild but stout motor and adding a nitrous system for when I go to the local strip.
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Just build the 383, it will be great with nitrous.
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Check my project out in this section - ( Carpenters Special ) I have the whole build documented. I made my own frame rails but if one is not to savy with the tools then you can buy a back half kit from quite a few vendors. If you don't want to tubb it get some replacement rails and change the old ones out. Tubbing is a lot of work when you make everything needed including all the brackets. I am doing my car for the fun of it because I really enjoy working on cars. It has been a learning process and I would definitely have done things differently had I known better but hay....... now I know better.
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I forgot to add that I am totally an old school big tire car guy so I say tubb it........... you won't be sorry until after you add up the receipts. Where abouts are you located?
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When you mini tub the frame rails stay in the stock location. You can buy a kit for mini tubbing which moves the springs inboard. The kit has two boxes that go into the lower frame rail which you have to cut and then weld the boxes in. The rear shackles will mount on the frame rails. Then you separate the wheel houses and add a piece in between after cutting the trunk floor on either side.
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That sounds like the way to go for me. THnx for sharing that.
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OK, I think I have decided on how I'm going to go back up with this car. I enjoyed drag racing in my younger years so I'm am going to make it into a streetable strip ripper. Think I may paint it red (maybe fake r/t) with black (partial) interior, .,mini tubs for street legal M/T fatty radial slicks. I am going to find a 440 and stroke it to 500ci pump gasable with 10-1 or so pistons, aluminum heads, mild cam. That said, I don't see much point of puting a lot back factory dress. I'm not going to be driving it that much and won't need stuff like the ac, heater, radio, back seat, etc.. I'm going with 2 semi-racing bucket seats up front, and shiny sheet metal aluminum everywhere inside with maybe a little black carpet. A 6or8 pt roll cage, maybe even wheelie bars. Maybe a 10 gal fuel cell. I am thinking of selling the stuff I don't need (locally, no shipping), like the seats, console, a/c, etc. About what should I be able to get for the seats? Here is a link to a pic of the fronts., the back seat is same condition as fronts. http://s1284.beta.photobucket.com/user/daytonakid/media/68%20charger/IMAG0674.jpg.html
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Seeing as how you started your thread with a post about value, I thought I'd point out that tubbing and changing it to a resale red partial clone/racecar without an interior is about the worst thing you could possibly do for resale value. ...if you don't care about future value, then ignore the above.   Dave
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Thnx, I will need luck. I've got it all taken apart now except for what I need to roll it out for some blasting. http://s1284.beta.photobucket.com/user/daytonakid/media/68%20charger/IMAG0794.jpg.html I think I should add my new sub-frame connecters and fix the floors before I remove the K member, front and rear suspension, rear end, etc.. So I ordered new floor pans from amd today, trunk and interior. To help keep it straight I think I should replace the interior floor 1st, the main and rear foot wells is all it needs on the interior. Once that is done I'll do the trunk along with the mini tub mod. I gotta have some of those Caltrac traction bars. Saw those on a b-bod that launched like crazy and he swore by them. They look like really good stuff. Anybody else ever heard of or used them?
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Go to the race section and you will see a lot of guys run cal tracks.
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Yea, I have decided that me trying to go back with it to it's most valuable state would not be something I have the time, patience, and money for. I think I can keep it valuable enough by doing what I'm going to do right. I guess I should start another thread but I'm going to just keep going with this one to keep up with and document my progress.
Either way you are going to spend money so wipe the tears now and dig in. 
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Thnx, I will need luck.
I've got it all taken apart now except for what I need to roll it out for some blasting.
http://s1284.beta.photobucket.com/user/daytonakid/media/68%20charger/IMAG0794.jpg.html
I think I should add my new sub-frame connecters and fix the floors before I remove the K member, front and rear suspension, rear end, etc.. So I ordered new floor pans from amd today, trunk and interior. To help keep it straight I think I should replace the interior floor 1st, the main and rear foot wells is all it needs on the interior. Once that is done I'll do the trunk along with the mini tub mod.
I gotta have some of those Caltrac traction bars. Saw those on a b-bod that launched like crazy and he swore by them. They look like really good stuff. Anybody else ever heard of or used them?
Take the floor pans and trunk floor out and leave them out for blasting this way you can get inside the frame rails, treat them then weld the floor and trunk pans back in.
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Well I have got the floor pans out of the interior, and doing a little preparing and patching with my welder to the framework under the floor where I rotabroached too far thru in a few spots. Next I will blast in and around the framework that the floor will cover. Then I am going to prime the hidden areas with rustoleum and wire brush the spots where the pans will weld in. Also, I found some rear frame rail covers which will work great for covering my rusty ones.> https://www.yearone.com/Product/1966-74-a-b-e-body/fr317lhrhAnd added some more pics to the bucket> http://s1284.beta.photobucket.com/user/daytonakid/library/68%20charger
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