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Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? #1307233
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Will this work?
Does it need a block saver (spacer)?
Will a regular bellhousing or SFI one work?
The plan is a 68 Dart 5.7L Hemi 4 speed.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: RodStRace] #1307234
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5.7 hemis have the same pattern as a 727, so anything you want to use sb is fine. Not real sure about the flywheel but I think they are produced now.

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Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: Daty Rogers] #1307235
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You can do it. They have the same pattern as a small lock LA/magnum engine. QuickTime makes a blow proof bell that uses a 130 tooth flywheel to install the 833.


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Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1307236
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The question is why???

You can bolt a modern, useful manual transmission to that engine. Why go backwards?

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: Pale_Roader] #1307237
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The question is why???

You can bolt a modern, useful manual transmission to that engine. Why go backwards?




Maybe he is doing it in a car that he doesn't want to hack the floor pan on to fit a modern option to , or he is going to buy a Passon 5 speed ?

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: Pale_Roader] #1307238
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The question is why???

You can bolt a modern, useful manual transmission to that engine. Why go backwards?




Using what he has is the short answer. I asked him that too. At this point, he's exploring options.
This car is second or third in line in his projects.
He's got a done '70 Hemi Cuda clone, a 5.7L Hemi Jeep with full aftermarket steering, suspension, axles and transfer, 2 '68 Darts to be done (one will be 5.7L, the other 426) and an A-100 PU. His dad is putting finishing touches on a '65 Coronet injected Hemi and has a '70 Challenger 5.7L Hemi in the paint shop. A lot of this is being done with stuff they have collected over the years and while the finished cars are very nice, they are NOT checkbook cars. They BUILD them.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: RodStRace] #1307239
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That is his dad's Coronet. This is his Cuda.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: RodStRace] #1307240
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The jeep before the axle/suspension upgrades.

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Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: RodStRace] #1307241
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They may build them but they are still high dollar upgrades that require lots of expertise when working with the EFI. Tim

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The jeep before the axle/suspension upgrades.



Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: astjp2] #1307242
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The jeep started out as a burn salvage.
They got a wrecked 4X4 hemi ram and built the Jeep up from the frame. Painted the body in the back yard. Hung the engine/trans/transfer with bought engine mounts, although they have the ability and tools to fab them. Wired the whole thing using the truck harness adapted to fit, including the cluster and computer. Fuel system, brake pedal, steering mount, throttle, transfer shifter all needed modification.
As pictured before he added the new transfer, axles and suspension, he probably had less than 7K in it. It hauls and crawls. Yes, they know the EFI stuff, some through hard knocks. They also put together a 3rd gen Hemi Honcho for another guy. The son's wife drives a 65 Dart with a full EFI 360 magnum swap connected to a push-button 904. I'm proud to know them both.
The question was to ensure that what they had found before with autos also applied to stick stuff on the 3rd gen hemis. They asked me and I asked here.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: RodStRace] #1307243
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The other part of the question is input shaft length.
Since the 5.7L he's got is not a stick application, it is going to use the bearing, not the bushing. With a block saver used as a spacer, will the end of the input shaft be okay, or will it need to be hacked off (or the crank machined deeper)?

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6991180&Main=6723168

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5624895&an=0&page=1169

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1307244
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You can do it. They have the same pattern as a small lock LA/magnum engine. QuickTime makes a blow proof bell that uses a 130 tooth flywheel to install the 833.




A stock bell housing from a 69 340 car will work also. Mopar sells a hemi specific flywheel that Mancini racing sells.


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Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: Pale_Roader] #1307245
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The question is why???

You can bolt a modern, useful manual transmission to that engine. Why go backwards?




Well, I hate to tell you this but you are fired for being non-constructive and arrogant in too many posts. You sir, have been placed on the ignore list.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: moparpollack] #1307246
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Do you by chance know the part number I would need to buy? I'm working on another 64 Sport Fury 4spd and plan to not modify the tunnel and going with a Passon 5spd.

Maybe BPE has a complete kit compiled for this setup.

Regards.

Re: Hang an A833 behind a 3rd Gen Hemi? [Re: kz5rt2] #1307247
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https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0&fpart=1

I did it. It wasn't a step back for me. I'm only out the cost of a clutch when I decide to swap to something wth more years.

The 5.7/6.1 uses such a small cam in a stock shortblock format that it can push 2.76 gears with a 1:1 top gear with ease. I wouldn't run more than. 3.23 with a short tire on any stock transmission swap.


My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

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