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Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion #1299935
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I did a search & came up with nothing. Search never works for me for some reason. I get 300 of everything else. Anyway, I know there are a few Gentlemen on here running Hemi 99 engines. What are the pro's & con's switching to this combo other than expense. I have turbo's, I have several fogger NOS kits & plate kits but am really still leaning towards staying "all motor". I have 6 buddies that all run Drag Radial nitrous combos. I was going to run this class also but we all just continue to just take each other out.

Really thinking about putting a 28x10.5 slick on & trying to get a Mopar in all Motor to run up against all of the Mustangs & Chevies.

What to look out for & what to avoid when going to this combo? Thinking this would be a better alternative than a B1/Indy/Predator headed RB combo.


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1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
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Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299936
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Sounds like you don't know whether you are coming or going . You have answered your own question perfectly .

Anyone debating these entry level questions has no business building either one of these combinations in the first place .



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Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299937
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If you're ready to dive into the pool, I'm sure Al would be more than happy to sell you his.... Should be making some qualifing passes in Vegas about right now at the PSCA race.

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Sounds like you don't know whether you are coming or going . You have answered your own question perfectly .

Anyone debating these entry level questions has no business building either one of these combinations in the first place .




I think this was a little harsh, everyone has to start some where.

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: ] #1299939
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This engine is heavy. And powerful. I think you need bigger slicks....My

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: J_BODY] #1299940
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If you're ready to dive into the pool, I'm sure Al would be more than happy to sell you his.... Should be making some qualifing passes in Vegas about right now at the PSCA race.






Al's deal is running with the best of them on the small tire from 330' on.

Just can't 60'-330' with them so far. His Barracuda is heavy and killing power till 330' mark.

It runs the same MPH as his competitors, but still hasn't found the combo early on the track.

Also, that 99 Hemi is not on kill.. There is more hp to get if he wants to..

Example: He just ran 8.57 @ 159.98 with a 1.31 60' time in Vegas.. DA was just over 5000'


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Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: go green] #1299941
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Sounds like you don't know whether you are coming or going . You have answered your own question perfectly .

Anyone debating these entry level questions has no business building either one of these combinations in the first place .


WOW Really! Thats the info the guy was really looking for.

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299942
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Here my two cents, and I will qualify that with never having played with engines at that level, but from an outsiders perspective of those power plants...

The Hemi 99 as awesome as it is has a number of variations in design, if the parts chosen end up being the earlier version, problems with reliability abound. So unless you have someone that can guide you and review parts before purchasing, I would avoid this combo.

The Predator combo is probably a better platform to start off with, less variation in design, and proven on the street as well as at the track. The issue you will still have is, a 10x28 slick is going to be an issue in getting the car off the pad. You need to have a plan for getting four digit horse power to the ground on a small tire..and a chassis that is tried and true with adjustability. Your going to have to adjust your power output for track conditions and have a serious set of kajones to hang on..

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'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: go green] #1299943
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Sounds like you don't know whether you are coming or going . You have answered your own question perfectly .

Anyone debating these entry level questions has no business building either one of these combinations in the first place .




Opinions vary. Yes, you have a twin turbo car that is making some serious steam. I also have the same & could go twin turbo if I decide to go this route also. I have always been an all motor guy even though I have had & help tune several nitrous cars. Just looking at other options. Oh wait, I could go Procharger also to confuse you even more. Either way I go does not mean I do not know what I am doing. Now back to the Hemi 99 discussion.


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1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
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1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
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Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299944
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Thanks for the replys thus far. Kind of just thinking out load as of right now. 10.5" tire & Drag Radial racing is where it is. Alot of guys making some serious power & still getting them down the track. Yes, it takes hundreds of passes to get them dialed in but anyone can go fast with power adders & big tires. Just leaning towards staying all motor now. Plus we still do alot of Grudge racing around here. We can get alot more grudge match races with an all motor car than you will with a power adder car.

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1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299945
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Grudge racing might be all the rage, but bracket racers pay the bills at most tracks. We run our crap every week. But getting back to your point, how do you hook 1450hp on a 10" slick with all motor? Only two things I casn think of is limiting it with efi or throttle stop on a timer or programmable ignition...

http://www.racingjunk.com/Drag-Racing/2680847/Pro-Stock-Hemi.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/Drag-Racing/2171537/500-CI-NHRA-Pro-Stock-Hemi.html

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'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Dragula] #1299946
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Thank Dragula. I saw both those deals as well. If I had the money right now I would buy something like that ready to go. It can be put to the ground. Several buddies are dong it. Numerous cars around here knocking on the 7 second door in the All Motor classes with a $1000.00 bonus to the first one who does it. That is why I am thinking a Hemi 99 would be the perfect combo for this type of racing. The Hemi 99 does not make a ton of torque (when compared to the H.P. it makes) Helping it get out of the hole. It is making all of its steam upstairs in the high RPM range like a small block on roids.


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1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299947
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So if you don't have $25k to spend on just the engine to go grudge racing, when it cost about half of that just to freshen one up, not to mention all the parts you will tear up sorting it out, what are we doing discussing it? They don't get any cheaper than that...And a brand new Predator motor will cost more than that...Your not going grudge racing on a $10k motor that is for sure. Cheapest rout is a centrifugal on a decent Mopar long block

7secCuda runs one, there's a vid in his sig, you should see how hard that car comes out on the launch. I think he uses a 7" converter...

Last edited by Dragula; 09/09/12 12:14 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Dragula] #1299948
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I will keep it very simple for now. They make power in a VERY narrow band. They need to stay in that band to really get after it. The issue will be getting it there from the hit. Dont ask me how I know. They are not for the faint of heart of going to be easy on the wallet. They make power in an RPM range that comes with spending money plain and simple. Someday we will get ours figured out on the short times. IMO they really are bets suited for a big tire car with extrea gears, but sure is fun trying to figute it out. We have won one race this year and went out in the semis today.....Someday we will be good.....


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Oh yeah if you really want one or some info PM me


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Save yourself some headache and run a 5spd clutch combo or a Bruno Liberty 4spd. This will get you in the power range to make the car go. Can't tune clutches, torque converters, and suspension to work with 500 lbs of torque when you are out of the RPM range to 800lbs of torque when you are in.

I saw similar issues with my screamer small block with the powerglide.

Leon


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So if you don't have $25k to spend on just the engine to go grudge racing, when it cost about half of that just to freshen one up, not to mention all the parts you will tear up sorting it out, what are we doing discussing it? They don't get any cheaper than that...And a brand new Predator motor will cost more than that...Your not going grudge racing on a $10k motor that is for sure. Cheapest rout is a centrifugal on a decent Mopar long block

7secCuda runs one, there's a vid in his sig, you should see how hard that car comes out on the launch. I think he uses a 7" converter...




This is a message board , correct? That is what these boards are for. Discssing things. Just asking some questions & would like to learn alittle more about the HEMI 99's. I already know the cost factor. I did not say any where that I was looking to buy one today.... Maybe in the near future though.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299952
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I will keep it very simple for now. They make power in a VERY narrow band. They need to stay in that band to really get after it. The issue will be getting it there from the hit. Dont ask me how I know. They are not for the faint of heart of going to be easy on the wallet. They make power in an RPM range that comes with spending money plain and simple. Someday we will get ours figured out on the short times. IMO they really are bets suited for a big tire car with extrea gears, but sure is fun trying to figute it out. We have won one race this year and went out in the semis today.....Someday we will be good.....




Thanks Al. This is the kind of details I was looking for. Just some experience & knowledge from the guys who are running them.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299953
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Oh yeah if you really want one or some info PM me




Sent you a PM Al. Fill me in on some of the details.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Leon441] #1299954
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Save yourself some headache and run a 5spd clutch combo or a Bruno Liberty 4spd. This will get you in the power range to make the car go. Can't tune clutches, torque converters, and suspension to work with 500 lbs of torque when you are out of the RPM range to 800lbs of torque when you are in.

I saw similar issues with my screamer small block with the powerglide.

Leon




Thanks Leon. I appreciate the input. I actually do know someone that has a complete G Force 5 spd set up & a couple other spare transmissions & clutch set ups that I have been working on trying to get for a while now. Thinking if I can work this deal out on the 5 speed set ups it will be a great combo for no matter what engine combo I decide to go with.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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