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Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299955 09/10/12 01:07 PM 09/10/12 01:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	Well if you go this way and IF you can run a 5 speed it would be the way to go for sure. These are pretty much purpose built deals and would love the tight RPM spread of a 5 spd. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299956 09/10/12 02:03 PM 09/10/12 02:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	putting the power to the ground isn't the issue, its called riding the dots. The question/problem is the amount of time lost before you can pour on the power. Thats why power adder cars are so popular for those classes. come out a little soft and just pour the power on once the tire gets some rotational speed. Ive done alot of work with Ben Mens all motor car that he has run in x275 but the lil SBF is still under 1000hp and a little better suspension platform. Its still sketchy at best with the small tires

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1299957 09/10/12 02:39 PM 09/10/12 02:39 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio FASTFISH420 mopar
FASTFISH420 mopar Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio	Quote: Quote: I will keep it very simple for now. They make power in a VERY narrow band. They need to stay in that band to really get after it. The issue will be getting it there from the hit. Dont ask me how I know. They are not for the faint of heart of going to be easy on the wallet. They make power in an RPM range that comes with spending money plain and simple. Someday we will get ours figured out on the short times. IMO they really are bets suited for a big tire car with extrea gears, but sure is fun trying to figute it out. We have won one race this year and went out in the semis today.....Someday we will be good..... Thanks Al. This is the kind of details I was looking for. Just some experience & knowledge from the guys who are running them. I have a small block that would be perfect for you to run with those all/motor boys just get the weight down and throw a proflite in it 1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block 2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang Uratchko Racing Engines www.URE-RACING.com

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: FASTFISH420] #1299958 09/10/12 03:55 PM 09/10/12 03:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	Well riding the dots as you say does not work well in an NA deal. With a power adder car it is definitely the way to go. Naturally aspirated cars are all about 60' and riding the dots usually don't ad up to quick 60's. If we don't 60' we don't run to well. Lots of factors involved in getting an NA deal to run hard for sure but they just flat don't respond very well to having their teeth knocked out like a power adder car does. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299959 09/10/12 05:28 PM 09/10/12 05:28 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	im not necessarily saying to ride the dots. with new digital boxes (pretty sure any digital 7 box) there are so many ways to pull a little power and put it back in to get the car to leave consistent, that you don't loose much if any. before when we were chasing the suspension we were pulling like 12 degrees for 1 second still 60' in the 1.18-1.20 range and runnin high 8.20's low 8.30's

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: prochargedhemi] #1299960 09/10/12 07:26 PM 09/10/12 07:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I agree big difference between riding the dots and pulling timing at the hit. We pull a lot of timing now and are still working on the entire set up. Just saying they do not reco er like a power adder car is all and riding the dots is not something that I know of anyone in the NA classes doing. But we all kill timing from the hit, IF you have decent power. Then again as the ford guys love to point out I am sure we are doing it all wrong. Been 8.38 at 4400' so far. Went .50's this last weekend in 6000' and we are still working on the suspension a nd pulling timing. Best we can muster is a low 1.30 60's so far. Then again I weigh a bunch more than the small block Mustang crowd. Just saying... "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299961 09/10/12 08:23 PM 09/10/12 08:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 288 no mans land R racerbychoice enthusiast
racerbychoice enthusiast R Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 288 no mans land	Quote: Then again I weigh a bunch more than the small block Mustang crowd. Just saying... ....and you should cause you have a lot more motor, right? or at least a motor with more potential. rules.

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: racerbychoice] #1299962 09/10/12 10:55 PM 09/10/12 10:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	Sure do....Not complaining just stating a fact. Should I be 600-800lbs heavier as required is the question. That extra weight is the biggest issue trying to make this deal work. Although as far as cubic inches I am just a tad bigger and when it comes to allowable suspensions I am WAY behind there by those same rules. Of course then there is the NMCA NA stuff and ALL those races have been won by a SB Ford combo...Still think they dont have some sort of an advantage or are the rest of us just not as smart as they are?? Since that is the party line being spewed by the SB Ford guys. People must keep going that way for a reason is my guess. Maybe I should go with a SB ford as well "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299963 09/10/12 11:05 PM 09/10/12 11:05 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	i never meant for you to feel like you had to defend yourself. sorry if i gave you that feeling. I thought we were having an intelligent conversation that is directly linked to what the OP will need to do if going this route. I guess sharing information is a bad thing. my bad

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: prochargedhemi] #1299964 09/10/12 11:13 PM 09/10/12 11:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	No worries here. Just trying to make the comparison that riding the dots NA is not the same as with a power adder. You made the point as well in your post just wanted to reiderate the point. We are new to this stuff ourselves and still trying things for sure. This past weekend we came out with an entirely new set up with the rear suspension and were happy with they way it responded. With more laps and pars hopefully it will show big improvement. Just sucks we can MPH with the best but are still struggling with 60' and thus ET. As for the SB Ferd comments on my part just a sore spot with myself and a LOT Of other racers in the NA ranks. Along with the fact that some of those combos are not a scrutinized as they could be as far as valve angles and cubes etc. Rumor has it that at The Street Car Supernationals this year they may be getting pumped to see just how big some of them are "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299965 09/10/12 11:32 PM 09/10/12 11:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	I just help them guys when/were i can, we have been good friends for along time so it is what it is. I have no brand loyalty i like building stuff that helps get it to the front. for a single carb sbf under 500cubes on a 29.5x10.5 and 28.5x 10.5 non w tires its getting it done

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: prochargedhemi] #1299966 09/10/12 11:36 PM 09/10/12 11:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I agree they are getting it done very well. We run the same tire as well just a lot more weight. I wish I had bought Chris's small block and we could run the car at less weight. IMO that is the BIGGEST issue we face. Just like Comp weight is the key. We know we are bringing a spork to a gun fight be we will keep swinging as long as we have a place to swing it. Enough of my pi$$ing and moaning "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299967 09/10/12 11:44 PM 09/10/12 11:44 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	al, i know these two cars are at completely different ends of the spectrum. if there is anything i could ever do to help let me know.

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: prochargedhemi] #1299968 09/10/12 11:48 PM 09/10/12 11:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I'll buy the plane ticket and supply the food we need all the help we can get We did out qualify them at SCSN 7 but they had some issues. But hey it's something. FWIW if here is a video from this passed weekend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBijNaRwePE&feature=youtu.be "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299969 09/11/12 12:42 AM 09/11/12 12:42 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas A Adrielp mopar
Adrielp mopar A Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas	Quote: I agree they are getting it done very well. We run the same tire as well just a lot more weight. I wish I had bought Chris's small block and we could run the car at less weight. IMO that is the BIGGEST issue we face. Just like Comp weight is the key. We know we are bringing a spork to a gun fight be we will keep swinging as long as we have a place to swing it. Enough of my pi$$ing and moaning Hey Al, I by no means have your knowledge but what is it about the added weight that hurting you guys. Is it a torque issue with such a high revving engine or more of weight distribution issue. Also, whats the current weight of the car and is this a 500ci engine? What there been any weight break is you destroked the engine? Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299970 09/11/12 10:49 AM 09/11/12 10:49 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio FASTFISH420 mopar
FASTFISH420 mopar Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio	Quote: I agree they are getting it done very well. We run the same tire as well just a lot more weight. I wish I had bought Chris's small block and we could run the car at less weight. IMO that is the BIGGEST issue we face. Just like Comp weight is the key. We know we are bringing a spork to a gun fight be we will keep swinging as long as we have a place to swing it. Enough of my pi$$ing and moaning It's still available Al 1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block 2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang Uratchko Racing Engines www.URE-RACING.com

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Adrielp] #1299971 09/11/12 12:07 PM 09/11/12 12:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I am sure it is just our inability to get it figurd out. Very limited track time for sure with this car so we try to learn something each time we go out and race. Chris if there was any certainty at all as to whether we were still going to have a class next year...Then again if we dont and I sell this I will be in the market for something. Wonder if your engine will fit in any Super Stock combintaion

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299972 09/11/12 12:44 PM 09/11/12 12:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,019 Finland mafo super stock
mafo super stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,019 Finland	ss/am... -65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299973 09/11/12 02:08 PM 09/11/12 02:08 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio FASTFISH420 mopar
FASTFISH420 mopar Joined: May 2007 Posts: 636 Central,Ohio	Quote: I am sure it is just our inability to get it figurd out. Very limited track time for sure with this car so we try to learn something each time we go out and race. Chris if there was any certainty at all as to whether we were still going to have a class next year...Then again if we dont and I sell this I will be in the market for something. Wonder if your engine will fit in any Super Stock combintaion Pretty sure it would.you could throw and sheetmetal manifold and 2 fours on it also.Tim Davis used to run Supr Stock with his from time to time when indy came around.He was record holder for awhile. 1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block 2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang Uratchko Racing Engines www.URE-RACING.com

Re: Pro Stock Hemi 99 Discussion [Re: Al_Alguire] #1299974 09/11/12 03:18 PM 09/11/12 03:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas A Adrielp mopar
Adrielp mopar A Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas	Quote: I am sure it is just our inability to get it figurd out. Very limited track time for sure with this car so we try to learn something each time we go out and race. Chris if there was any certainty at all as to whether we were still going to have a class next year...Then again if we dont and I sell this I will be in the market for something. Wonder if your engine will fit in any Super Stock combintaion As long as the block and heads have mopar part numbers, you will be legal for all of the upper modified and modified stock classes. I remember when George Bryce was building his cuda with a 426 Hemi99 for A/SM and SS/AM competition, it would have been a very nasty combo in either of those classes. Even in the 68 Cuda, it would have been very fast. I just hate that he's letting it sit at his shop or at least thats the last I heard of it. Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III

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