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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299182
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With a dry sump, you can put the turbo(s) anywhere you want. I'd put a big set of 72s or 76s down low by the starter area. Also thought I would add this... Put the strongest wristpins in that you can get.

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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: TRENDZ] #1299183
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Build a blow through E85. You can easily make 1200hp at the crank on a single 750hp carb, and for SURE on a 950hp carb. No dominator or EFI needed.

Do you want to do single or twin turbo? Are you building the car for a class?

Hell my junk sorted out will make 700~750hp to the crank, non-blow through, single 75mm turbo, with a near stock 360"! A R5/P7 motor would make more then your chassis could ever handle.

PM me if you have specific questions... I don't know everything there is to know, but I can tell you what I've learned with this build.

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With a dry sump, you can put the turbo(s) anywhere you want. I'd put a big set of 72s or 76s down low by the starter area. Also thought I would add this... Put the strongest wristpins in that you can get.




Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think putting a turbo by the starter is a good idea. Would .927 be big enough?


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299185
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With a dry sump, you can put the turbo(s) anywhere you want. I'd put a big set of 72s or 76s down low by the starter area. Also thought I would add this... Put the strongest wristpins in that you can get.




Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think putting a turbo by the starter is a good idea. Would .927 be big enough?




I have .927 tapperd wall pins and they hold up fine.

Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299186
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I didn't know you could build a custom system with fast. That is great! I'll have to have a custom intake made then with injector bungs on it right? Sorry if this is a stupid question i don't know a whole lot about Efi.

I guess I'll have to give fast and rad rides phone calls and do some brain picking.

It's too bad this engine is dry sump, unless I redo the whole oiling system and put my tank in the trunk I can only fit one big turbo under the hood instead of twins. The intercooler is also going to be hard to fit in there, I'll get it figured out though.




It would be a matter of buying an ECU and they sell a harness just for this sort of thing. It will be more $$$ than a blow through but you will be happier in the end.
Another added benifit is having the ability of data logging your runs, and if you get the traction control option with FAST gives another level of tuning for your chasis.

FWIW - I think this is a perfect applioation for a single T6 turbo in the 91-101mm range. You can always mount a liquid intercooler in the passenger seat area to free up room in the engine bay...

Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: dizuster] #1299187
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Build a blow through E85. You can easily make 1200hp at the crank on a single 750hp carb, and for SURE on a 950hp carb. No dominator or EFI needed.

Do you want to do single or twin turbo? Are you building the car for a class?

Hell my junk sorted out will make 700~750hp to the crank, non-blow through, single 75mm turbo, with a near stock 360"! A R5/P7 motor would make more then your chassis could ever handle.

PM me if you have specific questions... I don't know everything there is to know, but I can tell you what I've learned with this build.




Single or twin, I'm not really set on that. Not sure what would benefit me? Seems to me twins would cost a lot more, since you need two of everything.

I'm not building it for a class. I can do whatever I want. Since I took out the 4 speed and put the automatic in I cant enjoy it outside of the track anymore. So I'd like to make it streetable again is the main reason for doing this. I'll be able to get rid of the 7000 stall converter and the 5.33 gears.


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: turbobitt] #1299188
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You guys need to stop this right NOW!!!

You are giving me fits!!

I have settled on my build and direction and here you are tempting ME!!!

All good info and I just might have to save and srounge and build a tubro bullet for the old car.....

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299189
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Build a blow through E85. You can easily make 1200hp at the crank on a single 750hp carb, and for SURE on a 950hp carb. No dominator or EFI needed.

Do you want to do single or twin turbo? Are you building the car for a class?

Hell my junk sorted out will make 700~750hp to the crank, non-blow through, single 75mm turbo, with a near stock 360"! A R5/P7 motor would make more then your chassis could ever handle.

PM me if you have specific questions... I don't know everything there is to know, but I can tell you what I've learned with this build.




Single or twin, I'm not really set on that. Not sure what would benefit me? Seems to me twins would cost a lot more, since you need two of everything.

I'm not building it for a class. I can do whatever I want. Since I took out the 4 speed and put the automatic in I cant enjoy it outside of the track anymore. So I'd like to make it streetable again is the main reason for doing this. I'll be able to get rid of the 7000 stall converter and the 5.33 gears.




Single vs. twin is really depending on how much power you want to make, and how big you displacment your working with. Trying to push 8 cylinders worth of exhaust through a single can be very restrictive depending on what you select for a turbo. Generally speaking, big cube, big power engines would heavily depend on twins. Problem with twins is that it doubles the ineficiencies of the system, as well as fabrication and cost.

Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299190
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Thanks for all the info Allan. I'm really liking the sound of the fast system. It would definitely add streetability to the car.

When using a throttle body you have to use injectors as well? If so would I need a sheetmetal intake or could bungs be machined in my stock intake?


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: mopartony] #1299191
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You guys need to stop this right NOW!!!

You are giving me fits!!

I have settled on my build and direction and here you are tempting ME!!!

All good info and I just might have to save and srounge and build a tubro bullet for the old car.....





C'mon Tony, change your build one more time just for fun.

You know you'd like the streetability, not sure the trans would be up for street driving though...


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299192
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Thanks for all the info Allan. I'm really liking the sound of the fast system. It would definitely add streetability to the car.

When using a throttle body you have to use injectors as well? If so would I need a sheetmetal intake or could bungs be machined in my stock intake?




The throttle bodies don't incorpororate injectors. That is old school FI. You would need t have your intake modified for EFI bungs and make some fuel rails with appropriate hold-downs so they don't blow off during boost.
If you are realy interested in the EFI, I would suggest downloading the software from the FAST website and navigate through it. You can do this for free with no cost to you. I would also be willing to share some of my datalogs from my 8 second heavyweight streetcar if that would help.
YOur build sounds really exciting and think that if you decide to go down this path you won't be dissapointed.

Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: turbobitt] #1299193
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josh what have you experienced with morris. I have never seen or heard bad about him? seems to know boosted engines well.

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When I get to my laptop, I will check it out. I can't download it to my tablet.

I'm really leaning toward the EFI. So let's talk fuel systems. What would be the best one that I would never have to update if I decide I need more boost and that is rebuildable. Also I would like it to be alcohol compatible.


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299195
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Who told such a silly thing that this motor is not capable for turbos? Check Jesel turbochargerd truck or Blowfish (landspeed record holder)car who took over 2000 hp out of this R5P7 motor with turbocharger.
With right parts and redline limit to around 8500 RPMs you can make 1000+ hp easely. I lso spoke with Steve Morris about it and he told that with alcohol and turbo/turbos some 1200hp is absolutely no problem for such a motor
Good luck and keep us posted. To be honest then turbocharge this motor is in my plans as well...
Here is a link of my friends V6 turbocharged Buick. This motor have a VERY big turbo and that motor produce near 1500hp right now I guess with ethanol fuel. If this little V6 can handle such a boost (over 25PSI) then why R5/P7 cant do it? Just need to have good ECU to control everything and FAST Xfi defenately is the one
This black Buick what made terrible wheelstands is the one what Iam talkeing about : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYhXc_cR0g
best time so far 7,65sec

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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299196
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When I get to my laptop, I will check it out. I can't download it to my tablet.

I'm really leaning toward the EFI. So let's talk fuel systems. What would be the best one that I would never have to update if I decide I need more boost and that is rebuildable. Also I would like it to be alcohol compatible.




With your power level, I would think Weldon would be the only choice. I'm using a single Aeromotive and it works well but Weldon has some bigger pumps. I would also consider using a fuel pump controler to reduce pump speed during normal street driving. The fuel gets hot from recirculating.

Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Jesse, the single best decision I made was to use a mechanical fuel pump... if you need a pump, that would be the route I went!

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What pump did you use? Is it ok for street use? Enough psi for EFI?


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Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: joshking440] #1299199
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I wouldnt let Steve Morris build me a lawn mower engine.

He is as crooked as they come.....and I mean to the max crooked!!!!!


And as usual....he is a man of God





Thats the First bad thing ive heard about Steve Morris. Ive been told to stay away from SMRE as its owned by someone else now.

Josh Im not doubting you, its just the first bad word ive heard.

Thanks

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: joshking440] #1299200
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Jesse, the single best decision I made was to use a mechanical fuel pump... if you need a pump, that would be the route I went!




Do you ned to have the fuel supply near the pump to make this work correctly ? In other words have a front mounted fuel cell ?

Allan G.


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What Compression ? I would say 9-9.5 would be perfect for that engine on race gas but could tolerate 10:1 if tune is right-on. 1400-1600 would be easily obtainable with your current combination providing compression isn't to high. Being somewhat small, it is beggin for a nice single T6 flange turbo. Wouldn't choke it to much and would spool a 100+mm turbo really well.
With that really nice modern engine, a nice FAST XFI would compliment it nicely.
Allan G.




I am really on he same page with Allan here.


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