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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: buildanother]
#1276362
07/30/12 11:54 AM
07/30/12 11:54 AM
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Houston Texas
PAINT IT BLACK
OP
Got a CHIP on my shoulder
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OP
Got a CHIP on my shoulder
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When you say it won't budge, do you mean it is locked tight in either direction?
Yep
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: PAINT IT BLACK]
#1276363
07/30/12 12:30 PM
07/30/12 12:30 PM
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I bet the rings are stuck. My 383 locked up from sitting. A machinist friend said there were race motors that needed to be reringed from sitting over the winter this year. Wouldn't turn over or run.
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: PAINT IT BLACK]
#1276364
07/30/12 01:00 PM
07/30/12 01:00 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
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Pull the spark plugs...
Called the builder and this is what he said. I can fathom that water might have gotten behind the tape I used when pressure washing before painting.... I bet this works.
He said hammering the trans in wouldn't likely hurt anything .
It definitely won't help anything, don't do it again. Check all that before and after installing bushings, bearings and the like.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: Challenger 1]
#1276365
07/30/12 09:16 PM
07/30/12 09:16 PM
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The Garden State
LimelightCuda
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An interesting and scary problem. Have you made any progress?
Phil
1970 Barracuda Gran Coupe
1970 A66 Challenger Convertible
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: Yatzee]
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07/31/12 08:28 AM
07/31/12 08:28 AM
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Marysville, O-H-I-O
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Wait...he pressure washed a completed engine and had nothing but tape to block off the exhaust ports?
you NEED to pull the plugs! I'd pressure wash a bare casting, but I sure as heck would NEVER use a pressure washer on a completed engine! That's just the lazy way out, he should have used oil, grease, wax remover heck put it in a squirt bottle to apply it all over the surface then use a rag to wipe it down
I would say that even if there's no water in a hole, it's very likely that moisture got into the engine, and the rings are rusted to the cylinder wall. I hope for your sake that's not the problem though, because if it is...time to rebuild the motor!
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: 70Cuda383]
#1276368
07/31/12 10:44 AM
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Wait...he pressure washed a completed engine and had nothing but tape to block off the exhaust ports?
you NEED to pull the plugs! I'd pressure wash a bare casting, but I sure as heck would NEVER use a pressure washer on a completed engine! That's just the lazy way out, he should have used oil, grease, wax remover heck put it in a squirt bottle to apply it all over the surface then use a rag to wipe it down
I would say that even if there's no water in a hole, it's very likely that moisture got into the engine, and the rings are rusted to the cylinder wall. I hope for your sake that's not the problem though, because if it is...time to rebuild the motor!
A friend of mine did the same thing to a rebuilt 440.....motor was junk after it started, bent a rod due to water in a cylinder, another friend sandblasted a motor after assembly for "paint adhesion"....he didn't know he blasted sand into the exhaust ports even though the manifolds were on...
Why people sandblast/glassbead or steamclean engines/componets after rebuild/assembly I don't know, it's beyond me, that's the first procedure before rebuild, i hope that's not the case for the OP, If he's exhausted every effort at looking for bind from the flywheel to the dampner/pulley, and hasn't found it, chances are rusted rings, or hydrostatic lock 
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
#1276369
07/31/12 10:55 AM
07/31/12 10:55 AM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Wait...he pressure washed a completed engine and had nothing but tape to block off the exhaust ports?
you NEED to pull the plugs! I'd pressure wash a bare casting, but I sure as heck would NEVER use a pressure washer on a completed engine! That's just the lazy way out, he should have used oil, grease, wax remover heck put it in a squirt bottle to apply it all over the surface then use a rag to wipe it down
I would say that even if there's no water in a hole, it's very likely that moisture got into the engine, and the rings are rusted to the cylinder wall. I hope for your sake that's not the problem though, because if it is...time to rebuild the motor!
A friend of mine did the same thing to a rebuilt 440.....motor was junk after it started, bent a rod due to water in a cylinder, another friend sandblasted a motor after assembly for "paint adhesion"....he didn't know he blasted sand into the exhaust ports even though the manifolds were on ...
Why people sandblast/glassbead or steamclean engines/componets after rebuild/assembly I don't know, it's beyond me, that's the first procedure before rebuild, i hope that's not the case for the OP, If he's exhausted every effort at looking for bind from the flywheel to the dampner/pulley, and hasn't found it, chances are rusted rings, or hydrostatic lock
 Those little cheap blasters that hit the market years ago have done more harm than good in a lot of cases. The thinking that I'll paint it when I get the whole thing blasted never happened because he never got it completely blasted! Now it's ruster now than before.
I love when someone asks me to bead blast there intake manifold, I do them a huge favor and not do it for them. Do you think you will ever get all the sand out? especially in the heat riser areas.
My blocks always got either hot tanked or a serious steam pressure washing and paint before it even got bolted to the engine stand for assembly.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
[Re: Paul_Fancsali]
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07/31/12 05:40 PM
07/31/12 05:40 PM
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Houston Texas
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Got a CHIP on my shoulder
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Yeah, I did pressure wash the motor, but I had it buttoned up pretty good and stayed away from the no-no areas... I just mentioned it because I don't want to leave anything out.
I drained the oil last night and saw nothing at all out of the ordinary, but I didn't expect to. I saved the oil just in case I need it.
I should have been turning the crank every so often, but I never thought to because I'm always "close" to finishing the car... its been "close" for almost 2 years due to various reasons mostly outside my control.
At this point I am thinking the likely culprit is a rusted ring (or more). I know rust can form with any amount of water, but I am certain I didn't get A LOT of water in the motor. If there is rust, will it hurt the motor if I break it free? If I do break it free, how could I tell if there was a rust problem without removing the heads?
Would removing the oil pan for inspection do me any good here?
I spent a lot of time putting a show quality paint job on the motor, so no, I didn't take the lazy way out! I was just trying to get the best adhesion possible (especially with these Aluminum heads). I used degreaser, etc FYI. Breaking down the engine is going to kill me, all things considered... It will of course need to be stripped and repainted... not to mention removal and install.... and I am just exhausted with working on this car at this point. Don't mean to complain, but I am just DONE mentally.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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#1276372
07/31/12 06:12 PM
07/31/12 06:12 PM
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Rust sounds most likely to me too.  I won't echo the "you shouldn't have used the pressure washer" comments because I'm sure you won't again. I hear you when you say you're mentally done, I've been there more than once with my car. My engine sat for almost 5yrs between the time it was built and when it was first fired. I put 30w oil in the cylinders and rotated it by hand 3 or 4 times and it was fine. best of luck Steve and let us know how you make out.  Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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#1276373
07/31/12 08:14 PM
07/31/12 08:14 PM
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Houston, Tx
hemi68charger
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Steve..
Wish you luck on getting it squared away..... I'll give ya a call.....
Troy
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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