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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246384
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No doubt about mileage! What would happen if you took that mild 572 and put eddy performer rpm heads on it?


If it was mine, I'd probably do it with a puffed up 440-1 and intake and a big 4150 carb (the Braswell is awesome), fairly tight quench and a solid roller that keeps the dynamic compression in a happy zone for 93 octane.

Might even look into one of those lifters without needles for additional reliability........maybe the Isky EZ-Roll.

Shoot for 6000-6500rpm. To me, it makes no sense to build a truck engine.

If that thing didn't go 800+ with way too much TQ for street tires, I'd be surprised.

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No doubt about mileage! What would happen if you took that mild 572 and put eddy performer rpm heads on it?


If it was mine, I'd probably do it with a puffed up 440-1 and intake and a big 4150 carb (the Braswell is awesome), fairly tight quench and a solid roller that keeps the dynamic compression in a happy zone for 93 octane.

Might even look into one of those lifters without needles for additional reliability........maybe the Isky EZ-Roll.


Shoot for 6000-6500rpm. To me, it makes no sense to build a truck engine.

If that thing didn't go 800+ with way too much TQ for street tires, I'd be surprised.





That would be an awesome engine. I have not heard of a Braswell 4150 do you have a link?

What would the power do if a roller cam was replaced with a flat tappet? With so much hp being produced, it might be a nice trade off in my application. I will admit I like the simplicity and ease of maintenance with a hydraulic flat tappet.

Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246386
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A 572 with standard port heads won't make much more power than a 440 with the same heads, but it will make it a lot LOWER! The torque will be fantastic down low.
Probably the middle of the road head for this combo is a fully ported 440-1 head. You could set it up for max power by 6000 to 6500 rpm , max torque could be made to show up about 4600 to 4800 rpm, maybe a bit less. The B1 stuff is more rpm orientated, and will like more rpm so personally I consider the B1 heads a bit big but that is me. If I can build a 900 hp 528 cube motor with the 440-1 heads, You can build an 800 hp 572 street killer that will live a long life and not eat parts for lunch!


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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246387
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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246388
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No doubt about mileage! What would happen if you took that mild 572 and put eddy performer rpm heads on it?


If it was mine, I'd probably do it with a puffed up 440-1 and intake and a big 4150 carb (the Braswell is awesome), fairly tight quench and a solid roller that keeps the dynamic compression in a happy zone for 93 octane.

Might even look into one of those lifters without needles for additional reliability........maybe the Isky EZ-Roll.


Shoot for 6000-6500rpm. To me, it makes no sense to build a truck engine.

If that thing didn't go 800+ with way too much TQ for street tires, I'd be surprised.





That would be an awesome engine. I have not heard of a Braswell 4150 do you have a link?

What would the power do if a roller cam was replaced with a flat tappet? With so much hp being produced, it might be a nice trade off in my application. I will admit I like the simplicity and ease of maintenance with a hydraulic flat tappet.


Check Braswell's website......if it's not there, you can give them a buzz. It's a spread 4150.

A flat cam of similar specs will obviously be down. How much is difficult to say. In this day and age of "naked" oils, some precautions need to be made to ensure longevity. Treated lobes, lifters that oil at the face and oil with high anit-wear additives, like zinc are good safety measures.

Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246389
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To be honest... I think you wasting your time with
that many cubes and little heads... you would have a
gas hog with a short rpm range that'll just blow the
tires off at the low end hit.... JMO

Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1246390
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WOW!! Any way you slice it, those valve covers and what is underneath them is impressive.

I do believe that I will have a 572 short block built by compu flow. For my application, a set of s/r's or 440-1's would do just fine. I am still out on a cam though as this short block will put enough of a strain on my hobby money. I could always buy some of the gingerbread at a later date.

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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: 70blackfish] #1246393
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would be a great street motor. with the right cam and heads.

If you were going to buy heads then don't waste money on edelbrock eddy... they are good but not for a 572.


call dwayne porter....tell him what you want to do...He won't steer you wrong.




I agree with this as Dwayne speced out the cam in my 493. Its a solid flat tappet and I told him I wanted an aggresive cam that makes good power as the lumpy idle does not bother me at all. And the idle is very nice and it works good. Dwayne is very good. Ron

Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246394
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I just got off the phone with Nick at Compu flow and he filled me in on what a 572 would be like. I must say I love the idea!

I think the torque will be a major factor in my decision. With that kind of torque, What will need to be done to an 18 spline hemi box and a dana 60 to make it live on drag radials? 68 charger, 3900 lbs.




If you are letting Nick do the engine, you should have Gus( fourspeedsavoy) build the 4 speed. He is the man, and lives pretty close to Nick. Good decision. .


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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: sunroofgtx] #1246395
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I agree with Sparky...Gus is the Manual Gear-Meister when it comes to 4-speeds...specially Liberty's! He's a GREAT guy...and a personal friend of mine,who has helped me out more than a few times in the past! I believe Nick..or Dwayne,would do up a honkin' 572 for ya! Best of Luck with the build! Randy B.

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One more point to make! Get ahold of Ron Wilson(Firefighter 3931)about his street-friendly '572' which Dwayne put together for him. It's a tire shredder,for sure!

Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1246397
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Since I have just found out my block is junk I have been daydreaming of a new mill my mind has wandered into the world block category. Of course since you can make a really large engine out of these my mind then went to a 572" engine.

How would a 572 work on the street assuming that you had a c/r that was around 10.5:1 and a cam that was not too aggressive?

What would be a good target for hp with a calm 572?






I hope the 572 is a good street engine, as that is what I built, for my street/ strip car. It's 10.5 to 1 but with a solid roller from Dwayne Porter for street/ strip use. I don't know what power it will make, as I have not had it on the dyno or the strip yet.
Good luck with your build.
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Re: how well would a 572" work as a street engine? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #1246398
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Hey nice Allsate! I have a 51 Henry J, but the motor is just a wee bit smaller!!!!!

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Hey nice Allsate! I have a 51 Henry J, but the motor is just a wee bit smaller!!!!!




Thanks,
I think that it's amazing how many of these old cars are still around!

Mark



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