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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: RSNOMO]
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05/09/12 08:11 PM
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DARTH V8Я
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And tires are still round but there is no comparison between 1970 tires and 2012 tires. Tires today are superior in everyway, just like todays suspensions are superior in every way. Back in the day, you either had a 1/4 mile suspension or a handling suspension.. not both on the same car (for the most part.. few exceptions naturally). Today we have both, on the same car. I for one am glad WE have a much larger choise for suspensions. 
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: A57_RT ]
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05/09/12 08:28 PM
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Park Forest, IL
slantzilla
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Torsion bars aren't really the issue with a Mopar front end. Placement of the mounts for the upper A-arm is.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: DRJDVM]
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05/09/12 08:34 PM
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Kelowna, B.C. Canada
DPelletier
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Won alot and dominated the Trans Am circuit.......yes
But correct me if I'm wrong... Those weren't totally stock..... And THAT WAS 40+ YEARS AGO!!!!!!
And then people pull out magazine articles from the 70's to discuss suspension design? You have got to be kidding me.....
Things change with time......design and technology change.....if you don't like the RMS kit then fine..... But to tout suspensions that dominated 40 years ago is ridiculous
The RMS kit has its flaws and isn't for everyone.... And that's okay.... But stop living in the past
Guys.... It's okay to not live in the 70's still..... It's okay to not keep your mopar 100% stock original.....
Let it go...... Last I checked it's 2012..... Not 1970
If you want to drive a car that feels like and handles like the "top of the line in 1970" then that's your choice.... Some of us choose to evolve alittle and have open minds for newer stuff
Show me some failures...... And give me a good reason why no one but big trucks still use torsion bars
Stop living in the past?? You do KNOW that this site is dedicated to cars from the past right?  
Listen, I don't much care what anyone does with their cars and YES I do want to drive a car that "feels and handles like top of the line 1970" (you say that like it's a bad thing!  )
Honestly I have nothing bad to say about Alterkation or any of the other aftermarket suspension systems out there, HOWEVER to imply that the stock Mopar torsion bar setup was a bad design or inadequate to the task of driving (even spirited driving) on todays streets is just dead wrong.
Yes it's an old design just like the cars they were installed in, the engines that powered them, etc. etc.
Though I don't care if people want to make thier car into a mix of old and new, you are right that I just don't understand the desire. If I wanted to drive a new car, I'd buy one.  ....or better yet I'd go out into the garage and hop in the Mercedes which does pretty much everything better than ANY 1970 car in 1000X the comfort. I still like my old Superbee better though....weird, huh?
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: A57_RT ]
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05/09/12 08:41 PM
05/09/12 08:41 PM
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DARTH V8Я
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A57, Me relax? I wasn't replying to you.. and I don't really care what you posted. As I said, I'm glad theres a lot more options for suspensions nowadays.
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: A57_RT ]
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05/09/12 10:44 PM
05/09/12 10:44 PM
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W. Sacto CA. USA
phantomx
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That big long bolt with the spacer on the tie rod end would scare me away. It would be much better if it were double sheer instead of single. I'm no engineer though, just a guy who understands how things work and have my own opinions and feelings about things  Travis..
70 GTX project, orig 440-4, 4 spd, track pack, FC7, stripper/street racer special.
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: 2fast4yourBrain]
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05/10/12 12:50 AM
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Marlboro, NY, USA
Rick_Ehrenberg
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As far as alterkation durability, seems like you'd see more breakage of all those drag cars doing wheelstands with them.
Pure jounce, like coming down from a wheelie, I think the RMS setup is fine. It is lateral forces and road impacts where it becomes problematic.
Rick
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
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05/10/12 01:27 AM
05/10/12 01:27 AM
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So Cal
autoxcuda
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So Cal
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...(2) not enough adjustability in factory stock form to take full advantage of modern tire technology, and ...
Not true. There's people that have got 1-3 degrees caster with stock geometry bushing.
The GM A-body guys have a tough time getting to 2-3 deg positive caster because the UCA dogbone will hit the steering shaft.
When I just service replaced my UCA bushing with the rubber offset Moog's I can get MORE caster and camber than a GM A-body with stock UCA's with any bushing installed.
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: DRJDVM]
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05/10/12 01:41 AM
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So Cal
autoxcuda
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Won alot and dominated the Trans Am circuit.......yes
But correct me if I'm wrong... Those weren't totally stock..... And THAT WAS 40+ YEARS AGO!!!!!!
And then people pull out magazine articles from the 70's to discuss suspension design? You have got to be kidding me.....
Things change with time......design and technology change.....if you don't like the RMS kit then fine..... But to tout suspensions that dominated 40 years ago is ridiculous
The RMS kit has its flaws and isn't for everyone.... And that's okay.... But stop living in the past
Guys.... It's okay to not live in the 70's still..... It's okay to not keep your mopar 100% stock original.....
Let it go...... Last I checked it's 2012..... Not 1970
If you want to drive a car that feels like and handles like the "top of the line in 1970" then that's your choice.... Some of us choose to evolve alittle and have open minds for newer stuff
Show me some failures...... And give me a good reason why no one but big trucks still use torsion bars
Would you consider the improvements you've done to your 69 Camaro stock based suspension.
I would.
People here aren't debating about still running stone stock bias ply tires, 318 front springs, and stock sized sway bars.
Two different paths to modifications. Still modification with new parts.
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: DirectSubjection]
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05/10/12 09:00 AM
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Morristown Tn.
71birdJ68
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Just curious, but if torsion bar systems are so great, how come they aren't used anymore?
they are, just on 4wd IFS trucks.....
My 1-ton Chevy dually had them.
You'd be suppressed just now many new cars and trucks use T bars, several sons of nippon vehicles
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Re: ALTERKATION - 3rd dwg and caption
[Re: DRJDVM]
#1228743
05/10/12 10:17 AM
05/10/12 10:17 AM
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DARTH V8Я
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Well lets take the 1970 Trans Am series:
Ford 72pts
AMC 59pts
Chevy 40pts
Dodge 18pts
Plymouth 15pts
Dodge/Plymouth didn't win a single race that year.
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