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What is wrong with NHRA National Events #1217613
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Jok Nicholson of DRO has it figured out. Maybe this is why there are so many empty seats..

http://dragracingonline.com/columns/deadon/xiv_4-1.html


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Good read, but honestly nothing new to me. I only go to 1 or 2 races a year and I have to work a big side job to save the cash to go. Dosnt bother me as I know NHRA will never stop feeding Force and DSR racing untill they gobble up what is left of NHRA pro drag racing. The last time I went I spend the cash on VIP tickets to a DSR tent that way you accually save money on water, food and souveniers since they came with a DSR hat, shirt, and a few other things.

Nitro alley should be called No Deniro alley since you will have none when ya leave that place. Its crazy what they get for a darn silver sharpie.

NHRA has fallen off the map here in the last few years, and I accually enjoy a good Dirt race, Truck pull, Tractor pull, or Dirt bike race. They put on a show and the pits are a blast.

Just my

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Hanging out with the rednecks at the mud hole is a lot more fun.


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Guitar Jones] #1217616
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That is a spectators view. Racing them is even worse yet. I doubt I'll ever go to one again unles it is for class and then leave right after that.


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Sprint cars is where its at. A damn good, exciting show. Local racing every Friday night. Cheap entry. Reasonably-priced food. Close to home. And it doesn't tie up a whole weekend.

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Sprint cars is where its at. A damn good, exciting show. Local racing every Friday night. Cheap entry. Reasonably-priced food. Close to home. And it doesn't tie up a whole weekend.



Your exactly right! I went to a local sprint car race a few weeks ago and it was GREAT! And I'm a drag racer! I went to TX MTR Spdy last week for my first nascar race, I believe the sprint cars were a better show because I didnt drive 300 miles. I'll stay w/ drag racing , I love fast door cars. But NHRA needs to get off thier butts and improve what they have.They might learn something from the circle track crowd.

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Just another reason I prefer to go to an NSS race and watch cars that I can actually tell what kind of car it is and see many of them race. Ron

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I haven`t gone in a few years, I used to go to the Englishtown Nat. Meet but I lost interest and it just costs too much, I really just want to see Stock and S/S anyhow. I`ve gone to the Divisional Points races and the Dutch Classic at Maple Grove their a lot more fun and interesting with out all the Pro garbage.


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I've pretty much had it with drag racing in general. Seems like someone's oiling down the track on every pass. So much as a drop of rain and everything stops. For every 10 seconds of excitement there's a half hour of boredom!

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I went to the IHRA Divisional race in Crandall last weekend. It was $20 to get in for the day. I watched some of the stockers run and hung out with my old boss from Johnson Space Center. Him and his son race a 1967 Corvette in Hot Rod (10.90 class). I spent most of the time in their pits or rode up to the starting line in their cart. They ran the Saturday and Sunday races on Saturday due to rain forecasted for Sunday. He went out in the 1st round on the Saturday race, and 3rd round on the "Sunday" race.

Last year I went to the ADRL race at Ennis. You pay for parking, then get in for free. Some were complaining about paying for parking. It was a little pricey for me since I went by myself, but a family would work out pretty good. I heard that ADRL will charge entry fees this year for spectators, so we will see how much it is.


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I avoid the circus and have for a few years..Not worth it as a spectator for sure.


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Sprint cars is where its at. A damn good, exciting show.







copy that, i drag race but imho for spectating sprinters are the best show going. kinda like an 1/8 mile where you're allowed to run as hard down the return road as the strip. alky injected, 7-800+ HP, flyweight rotating assemblies, 1400#, big fat tires...sounds like a race car to me




Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Steve1118] #1217626
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The ADRL races are a good show and reasonably priced!!!!!

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Sprinters are wonderful. They are addicting as hell. If I had an extra million ($) I'd waste half on Drag Racing and the other half on a Sprinter. That #83 is Tim Keading from here in San Jose, CA. He won the King Of The West Championship last season. He is 'on fire' right now with Outlaw Wins in Las Vegas, NV and Tulare, CA and He ran away with the King of The West Opener at Antioch, CA weekend before last. Nostalgia and fixed index 'A/B/C/D? ... Gas' Classes are Big Deals here in the West for the moment.

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National events are for the Nitro fans and no one else. Every class there that does not run on nitro is just space filler between nitro rounds.

Wanna see all the class cars? Do a divisional.


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The ADRL races are a good show and reasonably priced!!!!!




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I love going to the truck pulls ,those guys rock ,,,,High rpm power Baby ...talk about leanin on pieces lol .....and the most Ive ever paid for admission is 20 bucks with a pit pass ,and the food is cheap and great at the consession stands here in Iowa .....I love it ....Rock on Pullers !!!!!!!

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: gofish] #1217631
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If there's no Stock or SS, I'm not paying to watch. I've always like the "historical" cars, so I prefer the nostalgia drags, and haven't bothered to see an NHRA Divisional or National event for a few years now.
Ditto the Sprint Car deal; I crewed a buddy's non-wing dirt car for a couple of years and LOVE watching them run. Got to drive one a few times with and without a wing and that was an Experience, capital E, indeed.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Steve1118] #1217632
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I agree on the dirt cars as they are fun to watch and drag cars can sometimes be boring to watch, especially the 'super' classes! ADRL is awesome, no doubt. NHRA is on a terminal shut down program unless they get some good leadership in place, cut some costs and ditch the high paid/doing-little help (hmm, sounds familiar doesn't it boys and girls) and the 'professionals only need apply' premise is killing the sport. Too spendy at the gate, too spendy on 'refreshments' and not long on keeping the program going equates to (as JOK clearly stated in his DRO article)...expensive BOREDOM!

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I love ALL types of racing and the wife and I try to
get out and see what we can.. from dirt track roundy
round to the NHRA BUT I havent been to the NHRA since
I retired which was the first run at Norwalk a few
years ago(did get into Capps hospitality tent for
drinks and food)... I want to check out drifting but
havent yet(lots of ladies there LOL)and I have a
friend into it that I have worked on his ride and he
is going pretty good.... like I said... I love motor sports

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http://www.lernerville.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=50

I live about 5 miles from Lernerville Speedway dirt track and chose to be a drag racer. The cost of racing a competitive car is way to high. I hope to attend one of their outlaw shows this year as its been way to long.


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As far as NHRA is has priced itself were the average family cannot attended the races anymore. The last one I attended just the price of bottled water for the family was mind boggling. I loved going to Norwalk, Ohio back when it was IHRA. Enter the gate for general admission and a reserved seat could be bought for 5 dollars more.


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its been yrs since i have been to a nhra race but when i did go it was fri morn so i could see the stockers ,i watched the last on line and there was over 20 min, towards the end with nothing going down the track. love going to the dirt track we been thinking of picking up a 4cly car just for fun for $500-$1000 it may not be a top 5 car but it would be fun and there is 3 dirt tracks and 2 paved tracks we could run all with in an 2 hrs of me.........this is my uncle#41

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well i know some here probably don't appreciate this but what the heck. don't know if this one is mopar powered but the fastest car ever clocked at bristol is (second link). think about it, on a power to weight ratio these are low seven second cars in the 1/4

they say envy is a sin...at least i know it won't be cold where im going. i want to be this guy he's puttin the coal to it... he doesn't hafta worry about breaking out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3bzyeExDMk

yea it's mopar related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kbuv18bLMw

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: jamesc] #1217638
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Sprints, A mods, and unlimited late model or "open" street stocks. AWSOME SHOW for sure and well worth the local 10 bucks to get in the door.

20 for a pit pass, just a good ol time!!

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I bought really good seats for my wife and I to go to the first NHRA race at Norwalk when they switched over from IHRA. My plan was to make it a yearly event. Maybe it's just me but after spending all that money, I didn't appreciate having commercials constantly rammed into our earholes the whole time we were in the stands. It was so bad (the speakers seem much worse in the Motz section) that we had to leave our ear plugs in in between rounds and couldn't even talk to each other until we left the grandstands.

When Norwalk contacted me about buying the seats the following year, I took the time to right a letter and actually mail it to them (as apposed to a half-baked email). It pretty much went un-noticed. I'll never go back to the national event there.

I'm sure some of that is the NHRA, but some of it is Norwalk as well.

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I bought really good seats for my wife and I to go to the first NHRA race at Norwalk when they switched over from IHRA. My plan was to make it a yearly event. Maybe it's just me but after spending all that money, I didn't appreciate having commercials constantly rammed into our earholes the whole time we were in the stands. It was so bad (the speakers seem much worse in the Motz section) that we had to leave our ear plugs in in between rounds and couldn't even talk to each other until we left the grandstands.

When Norwalk contacted me about buying the seats the following year, I took the time to right a letter and actually mail it to them (as apposed to a half-baked email). It pretty much went un-noticed. I'll never go back to the national event there.

I'm sure some of that is the NHRA, but some of it is Norwalk as well.




That is one of my biggest peeves. they won't even play music during the down time. Just crappy commercials. They are definately not interested in doing anything to be entertaining.

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I have missed the last two years of the nhra circus at Norwalk,I plan on going this year only to see some of my favorite drivers, pick up on the latest in the manufactur's midway and get a big snort of Nitro fumes and go home for two more years, that should just about do me.


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Sprint cars is where its at. A damn good, exciting show. Local racing every Friday night. Cheap entry. Reasonably-priced food. Close to home. And it doesn't tie up a whole weekend.




NHRA has put themselves out of the market in too many ways, Nostaglia shows and sprint cars at Eldora pretty much do it for me now.

Joey

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Jok Nicholson of DRO has it figured out. Maybe this is why there are so many empty seats..

http://dragracingonline.com/columns/deadon/xiv_4-1.html


I have been a drag racer ( Mopar only )from 1970 on and off until now. And NHRA not only sux but they are rude, stupid, and independent of spectators. They have always acted like they don't need you participation. And guess what they have accomplished their character traits. That is why the stands are empty. I took my wife to a NHRA event at Bristol, tn. about 4 years ago had to set in the top grandstand on the opposite side of the pit side stands because the stands were reserved for just the racers and crew , family etc. Those stands would hold easily 1500 people. But there were only maby 25 or so people in setting there. The security guy was almost enjoying his rude behavior. I decided I would probably see the grave before I paid the entry for one of the force teams. But I will go to every outlaw 10.5, nmca, Mopar event etc I can because, those races are for everyone. The racer and the spectator.

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i have not been to a nhra race in years...only drag racing i watch is headsup/grudge racing here in the south...

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i have not been to a nhra race in years...only drag racing i watch is headsup/grudge racing here in the south...


Mike where in Tn are you from? ROB

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In a nutshell, the NHRA itself is what's wrong with the NHRA National Events.

As many have said I WILL NOT spend $200+ to go a National Event again (Free tix and parking? MAYBE). I'd rather go to Antioch Speedway and see a 410 or 360 sprinter show in the Dirt. Last time I did that, we spent $75 all told for parking, beer, dinner AND A t-shirt. GREAT racing, too!

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Bill Bader has a guarantee at the track if you did not like what you went to see and i believe he is still part owner of the NHRA and his son jr owns the track now so i wonder what effect if any if all those that did not get what thay wanted complained and wanted a refund[guarantee]

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I just attended my frist ADRL race yesterday. While entering the gate and remembering this post I was making a joke and ask the ticket taker if I could take beer inside. To my surprise she said sure, beer, water, pop and even a cooler as long as there is no glass. HUMMM!! Then as we entered there were three shuttles waiting. The girls ask if we wanted a ride and of course we said yes. She ask where we wanted to go, she would take us to either side of the track and even dropped us off at the pit we were looking for. As she left I thanked her and she said no problem, she thanked US for attending the race. Maybe NHRA should try something like this. And the tickets were only $15, either side, and in the pits. I could go an about the hospility shown by the staff (Brett, Jenny and even the ADRL t Shirt guy)and racers, thanks fascat and Mr. Skillman, but I think you get the picture.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Frito] #1217649
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Yeah, just watched this and I have to admit, this could get me going!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=tlNtP2kwbPk&NR=1

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: rook440] #1217650
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I love going to the truck pulls ,those guys rock ,,,,High rpm power Baby ...talk about leanin on pieces lol .....and the most Ive ever paid for admission is 20 bucks with a pit pass ,and the food is cheap and great at the consession stands here in Iowa .....I love it ....Rock on Pullers !!!!!!!



I love truck pulls. The only thing cooler than listening to a high powered engine in a drag car for 8 seconds or less is listening to a labored high powered engine wide open for 15-20 sseconds. Diesel classes are cool, too.


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Steve1118] #1217651
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First is the cost,and after reading some of these comments, it only makes it worse. Especially that you are not even permitted to take bottled water in, that is actully stupid.

The next is one lane race tracks! If after say two rounds, you know that one lane is bad, stop and try to fix the dam thing, why watch 6 or 7 more pairs go down a one lane race track, and you wonder why the ticket sales are down.

Next is, why do we always see all of top fuel and funny car, but when pro stock comes up, we might start in the second or third round of qualifying, these are cars that people relate to on TV.

And last is John Force Racing "Enough is Enough" I use to be a fan of his, but after giving that round to Robert a few years back that was it. I ACTUALLY TRY NOT TO BUY ANY PRODUCT THAT HE ADVERTISES AND THAT GOES FOR THE REST OF HIS FAMILY. Their are so many other racers out their with interesting stories, why don't they interview some of them.

Our family has not been to an NHRA Event as spectators for the past few years, and don't expect to go to any in the near future. HEMI JOE

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Hemi Joe] #1217652
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I always find it funny that no one attempts to ask the question, "Why are ticket prices so high?"
Do you really think NHRA thinks that much of themselves? I don't, because if you are truly trying to make money, you don't overprice tickets to the point you can't make profit. I think that insurance cost and the cost of running the biggest drag racing organization nationally has caused them to inflate costs everywhere. I also believe that sponsor relationships is one of the reasons why they keep outside food and water out of these events as well as the constant commercials. They want to keep the money in house, please their sponsors and thats what they do. The food costs is parallel to most other entertainment. Amusement parks, carnivals, etc have outrageous food costs, thats just the market, Beer included.

Now, do I agree with prices, no I don't, but I won't sit here and act like there is not a method to the circus and a reason why its done. There's just a bigger picture to look at.

And, there is no way to compare any other organization to the NHRA either, none of them is anywhere near as big nor is trying to be for the fear of managing it properly to have success. They stay small, and keep it small for a reason.


And, the only problem I have with the article is that he is stating the obvious. NHRA has been expensive since I started attending races in 1995 or so when I was a kid. The only thing that has made NHRA less attractive from then to now is less cars and the commercials. I could also do without the entertainment crew personally.

PS: I love drag racing and want to see the best for it. The NHRA does need to change some things but how helpful can an article be that didn't offer any solutions?


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Hemi Joe] #1217653
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We went to Charlotte for the 4-Wide a few weeks ago. An incredible facility, but the place wasn't half full on Saturday. If you go to this one, bring hearing protection, really. Tinnitus sucks.

All of these are valid points as the NHRA tries to suck every last dollar out of their captive audience at these events. Someone is trying to sell you something every minute of the day, from the hawkers in the pits and overpriced food and junk to the Jumbo screen and the goofballs shooting T-shirts into the stands. Plenty of goofballs in the stands too, who are there for the fuel cars and have no interest or knowledge of anything else going on. Some of the conversations I hear make my head hurt from the stupidity.

But back when the economy was booming, these places were packed and everyone complained about NHRA sucking then too. Car counts are down everywhere along with the spectators. I know lots of people who would be out there, including me, if there was money to do it. NASCAR is down, so are local tracks, concerts, everything. It's not just NHRA.


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: CMcAllister] #1217654
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We went to Charlotte for the 4-Wide a few weeks ago. An incredible facility, but the place wasn't half full on Saturday.







.... has anyone else noticed how ESPN avoids panning the stands to show how vacant they are ?... and Fox with NASCAR ....same thing. Now this past race at INDY ... that was a diff story ... ABC clearly showed all the packed stands ...

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: dOc !] #1217655
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Aside from everything in the article, a big thing that made me kind of stop taking friends to the big races is the downtime. Years ago, they'd be firing the next pair of whatever pro class was running as soon as the pair in front staged. If someone broke, at most just push the pair that was in the water to the back of the field so they can refuel and cool down. They put so much attention in to the pro-racer prima donna act that it has become boring to watch. It's hard to tell someone that this is exciting when you have to wait 5 minutes between cars going down the track. I'm starting to see the same thing with the outlaw classes too, hope it doesn't end up like that. It doesn't need to take an hour to stage your car, either.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Kevins493] #1217656
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Anything ever come of the legal challenge to NHRA's non profit status?

Hate to be blunt, but the biggest reason that NHRA sucks is that the original founders are all dead, and the money men have taken over. Wally definitely turned the reins over to the wrong bunch of people - Dallas Gardner, for one... Add to that the stranglehold the current money men have made by effectively outlawing any Pro match racing between national events and you can see their greed is insidious. It's time the ENTIRE corporate board be paid $1 dollar a year each for their services, the cockroach CEO types exit, and they return to being a true non-profit and maybe then you'd see some changes. But until the bloodsuckers are gone the current status quo will remain.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Sixpak] #1217657
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You guys think the stands at NHRA and NASCAR races are empty ought to watch an IRL race. They can't give tickets away for free anywhere besides Indy.

National events are about the Pro racers. Sportsmen racers have divisionals. Anything other than Fuel is just space filler at a national event.


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: slantzilla] #1217658
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I'm only interested in the heads-up racing events for the most part. I'll watch Pro Stock and SS/AH on TV if it's on, or catch it on YouTube. Really don't plan to ever attend an NHRA event, not worth it.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: 451Cuda] #1217659
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sad sad sad...... I've read all the posts and completely agree

For a number of recent years, the handwriting has been on the wall... drag racing is dying

Besides all of the above, it's a GENERATION THING killing it too. Years ago, americans, the racers/spectators were around for the 60s car culture. That helped feed drag racing through the 70s and 80s. Many have moved on in life or passed away.. the American muscle car culture is long dead


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: 52savoy] #1217660
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Your right 52. I know of two SS/AH racers that didn't race last year and are not planning on racing this year because their father's were a part of the team and both passed away last year. Look at the age of the guys racing stock and super stock. Mostly 50's and up.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: Frito] #1217661
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I think we forget that the whole race is nothing but a show like a circus. "Now in the Main Tent Funny Cars" Yea hopefully something blows up Yea, Like Warren Johnson says this is my job if I don't have a sponser I don't get paid or Race. Just watch after runs they all have to mention thier sponsers, It a big commercial why else would a company spend the money it takes to run a pro team.But that being said even bracket racing is out of hand,You look back to the 60's big name teams towed thier cars on a open trailer, Hell now days the average bracket racer has $ 50,000.00 plus truck, Huge enclosed Trailer, some sort of ATV or Golf Cart, Plus a Race Car with $50,000.00 plus in it.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: mokid] #1217662
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I dont think the "show" is as bad as most on here, its not perfect, but still entertaining, my favorite classes are Pro Stock, Competion Eliminator, and Stock, Super Stock is ok to. The fans are all albout the nitro, so that where most of the attention lies. Allways been that way, allways will be. If your a casual fan of drag racing, the fuel cars demand most of the attention, if your a gearhead and racer, other classes are of interest. I allways get a kick out of people who say they cant tell a Camaro Pro Stocker from a Mopar Avenger, come on guys back in the 60's the casual fan couldnt tell one make from another either, thats why they allways tried to make the drivers the stars. I havent been to a national event in 3 years, but heck, I'm going to go to anaother one. The only race I dont care much for is the 4 wide, now that one makes a mockery of drag racing IMHO, anyway

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: wyoming] #1217663
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I can't even begin to speak for others.. but back in the 60s and 70s, everyone I knew was at the track mainly for Pro/Stock, SuperStock ,Stockers, MP cars, gassers and altereds.. The dragsters were pretty cool if they had crazy combos like 4 engines.
It had barely anything to do with fuel cars.

In the late 70s, early 80s, fuel cars were actually in trouble and NHRA was worried they would loose that class.

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: wyoming] #1217664
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I dont know about some on here but I like all of the
racing from the top fuelers to the .90 classes... so
to say you have to be a gear head to like the other
classes is wrong... just because thats what you like

Now days at the big events its the John Force and family
show... he mumbles so fast you cant understand him
anyways... and the rest of the team must have gone
to the John Force speed speaking school also... and
I use to like Force a few year back

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: wyoming] #1217665
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I've said it before and I will continue to give my opinion. When I was growing up in the mid / late 80's I could walk to Martin / 131 and see match racing. I had the opportunity to see all the "names" at the time, Glidden, Sheppard, Hawley, Purdhomme, Muldowney, ..etc. The "pros" match raced, if I could ask my dad he would probably tell me that I saw the early / mid 70's Pro Stock / Super Stock racers too. I can't remember back quite that far, born in '71 but I will say that the Saturday nights with the fuel cars was fun in the 80's. That no longer exists so how do you draw a casual fan? You really can't be a casual fan, match racing no longer exists. Bring it back, let the "pros" tour and run. It is really hard to be a fan now. That is my opinion.

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they dont care about spectators..
TELEVISION is all they care about...


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: cheapstreetdustr] #1217667
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I think the biggest issue is really no issue, just something to complain, just think if it went away ?
TOTALLY!
Would all be happy then?
you go to ball game spend money like it is water! go out eat food at more than 2x what you can make it at home
it is entertainment!
The economy for some is tough , sponsor have hard time putting money in drag racing when at best people just sit moan and complain about,,
keep moaning and complaining it will get worse i promise!

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: cheapstreetdustr] #1217668
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they dont care about spectators..
TELEVISION is all they care about...




You really think that ?.... rather than filling the stands .. that puts money in their pockets and the track owner ??

....... does anyone know how much ESPN gives them ? ..... it can't be a TON of money ... because NHRA drag racing is playing second-fiddle on their programing ....

Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: dOc !] #1217669
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they dont care about spectators..
TELEVISION is all they care about...




You really think that ?.... rather than filling the stands .. that puts money in their pockets and the track owner ??

....... does anyone know how much ESPN gives them ? ..... it can't be a TON of money ... because NHRA drag racing is playing second-fiddle on their programing ....




ESPN2 give them nothing...NHRA pays them to air the races...


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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: 70AARcuda] #1217670
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ESPN2 give them nothing...NHRA pays them to air the races...




...and how do you know this ?

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ESPN2 give them nothing...NHRA pays them to air the races...




...and how do you know this ?




I read....LOL

It seems clear to me that the ESPN broadcast contract negotiated by the NHRA management team was and is completely one-sided. Consider that the NHRA pays ESPN over $10,000,000 a year to broadcast their races and yet gets little or no love from ESPN when it comes to scheduling or pre-empting the races. It is painfully obvious that the ESPN management could not care less about drag racing based alone on the fact that their flagship newscast SportsCenter seldom if ever gives their viewers the results of NHRA races. NHRA drag racing generally only makes the SportsCenter broadcast when there is a crash or fatality.

http://www.dragracingonline.com/burksblast/xv_3-4.html


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Wow ...if I didn't read-it from a source like that ... I wouldn't believe it either..

..... but didn't TNN aka Spike TV also want the races ?.... NHRA paying them ... makes no sense to me at all.

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Re: What is wrong with NHRA National Events [Re: dOc !] #1217675
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Wow ...if I didn't read-it from a source like that ... I wouldn't believe it either..

..... but didn't TNN aka Spike TV also want the races ?.... NHRA paying them ... makes no sense to me at all.




Corporate sponsors want exposure on TV. If NHRA national events were not televised, it would be even tougher for the pro teams to get sponsored.


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