Re: Changing colors
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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*As far as judges and fender tags/faking/changing colors goes, it depends on the show you attend. Some do not include it in the judging criteria, others do. One thing is for sure, a knowledgable person can spot a fake tag, I haven't seen a perfect one yet so while you may fool some people some of the time with a fake, it will almost certainly get recognized by someone as a fake eventually, not to mention other clues that usually survive a color change which would lead to it's discovery.
So I think that answers my question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have, say a green car, and the fender tag says it came from the factory that way, the only legitimate way to have a red car with a fender tag that says it came from the factory that color is to buy the red car. Right? Even sand blasting down to bare metal and getting the fender tag off a car that came from the factory red (I don't mean a counterfiet tag, but salvaging one from a real red car) would not be numbers correct? Or am I splitting hairs too fine?
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: Scott Carl]
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09/18/08 05:51 PM
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I'm in no way a purist, but I do respect those that preserve the cars in their original state. I also like to see the guys who do whatever they want with their car. I however, don't think trying to "document" any of the changes you make is a good idea...
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: Scott Carl]
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09/18/08 05:54 PM
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*As far as judges and fender tags/faking/changing colors goes, it depends on the show you attend. Some do not include it in the judging criteria, others do. One thing is for sure, a knowledgable person can spot a fake tag, I haven't seen a perfect one yet so while you may fool some people some of the time with a fake, it will almost certainly get recognized by someone as a fake eventually, not to mention other clues that usually survive a color change which would lead to it's discovery.
So I think that answers my question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have, say a green car, and the fender tag says it came from the factory that way, the only legitimate way to have a red car with a fender tag that says it came from the factory that color is to buy the red car. Right? Even sand blasting down to bare metal and getting the fender tag off a car that came from the factory red (I don't mean a counterfiet tag, but salvaging one from a real red car) would not be numbers correct? Or am I splitting hairs too fine?
The fender tag from the red car would have a different VIN than the green car so it wouldn't work ('68 and later, anyways)
I realize this is a hypothetical question, but the fake/fraudulent stuff should be avoided at all costs IMO.
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: Ledman_70]
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09/18/08 06:00 PM
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leave it white and make it look like a cop car
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Re: Changing colors
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09/18/08 06:17 PM
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I changed-from maroon to plumb purple on a 68 coronet.a lot of extra work & it turned out great.I'd post a photo-but don't know how.
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: Chi_Town_Runner]
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09/18/08 06:25 PM
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...factory red (I don't mean a counterfiet tag, but salvaging one from a real red car)would not be numbers correct....
You are confused when you use "number correct" in the context of your question.
Numbers Matching or "correct" = the serial number on the engine matches the serial number on the trans that matches the serial number on the car. In '69 and later it was the VIN. In '68 it was the SO number on the body.
So in short if you had a "Matching Numbers" car and changed the color, added options that weren't ordered or available and changed the interior from bench seat to buckets you would still have a "Numbers Matching" car.
Frank
I see yor point Frank. Thanks. Besides, if some one is going to go to the trouble I described, chances are they will paint it what the tag says or they won't be worried about what the tag says. I'm just trying to break the boredom of a very monotonous day at work. One more hour and I'm off to dive into the brake job on my 74 BTW, Confusion is one of my better attributes
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: closer9]
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09/18/08 06:32 PM
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Closer9, It's a matter of value, personal choice, and most often times, quality. A color change is one of, if not the most expensive changes to properly do and to properly reverse. Based on your picture your car looking nice, but it's hard to tell just how completely changed it is, and it's a fact that many won't care for the color you chose, not to mention those who would prefered it's original color over (2006 Hemi Orange Metallic?) may not matter, it's your car....for now anyway. However someday it will be for sale, either by you or your estate, and that's when value may play into things. I am a member of a pretty large group of people who would not buy a color changed car (especially if to a color not available the year the car was sold) no matter how well done or what color it is or was, It's just a matter of personal preference. Anytime you take buyers away from any market, you will likely see a drop in the selling price.
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Re: Changing colors
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09/18/08 06:34 PM
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[quote The fender tag from the red car would have a different VIN than the green car so it wouldn't work ('68 and later, anyways) I realize this is a hypothetical question, but the fake/fraudulent stuff should be avoided at all costs IMO. Dave
Yeah you're right Dave. The VIN vs the fender tag senario dawned on my shortly after I posted. Like I said in my reply to Frank above, Its been a very long and boring day at work LOL!! And I'm still leavin' my Challenger black like the tag AND the VIN says
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: Scott Carl]
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09/18/08 07:01 PM
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Dave, The fact that your plans are to sell the car I don't think the color change would get you additional money to justify the effort and cost. But that's just my Good luck on whatever you decide. Frank
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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09/18/08 08:56 PM
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Closer9,
It's a matter of value, personal choice, and most often times, quality. A color change is one of, if not the most expensive changes to properly do and to properly reverse. Based on your picture your car looking nice, but it's hard to tell just how completely changed it is, and it's a fact that many won't care for the color you chose, not to mention those who would prefered it's original color over (2006 Hemi Orange Metallic?) may not matter, it's your car....for now anyway. However someday it will be for sale, either by you or your estate, and that's when value may play into things. I am a member of a pretty large group of people who would not buy a color changed car (especially if to a color not available the year the car was sold) no matter how well done or what color it is or was, It's just a matter of personal preference. Anytime you take buyers away from any market, you will likely see a drop in the selling price.
I figured that's probably where you were headed (BTW, yes its the modern Go ManGo). I personally don't care what the car is "worth". To me its worth so much more the way it is. So, in this particular case, changing the color added value to the car, maybe not monetary, but... This has always been a hobby to me. I love learning about older cars, and working on any of them, but "for me" the day I worry more about a cars worth is the day I need to find a new hobby. But, as I mentioned earlier no disrespect to those who do. That is just how I perceive the hobby, and without the purists we'd have no living examples of history.
BTW, I don't think there is a bolt on my car that was not removed before painting (except the rear suspension. It came off later). Every body part was removed and painted separate...
However, not to get off topic here. If looking for max dollar on a sale I would probably stick with the original color. Just to avoid the hassle on a car I don't intend to keep.
EDIT: Ooops, you got me. I didn't pull the hinges. The doors fit great, so no need screwing with that. I did however, replace all the bolts one at a time with SS.
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Re: Changing colors
[Re: closer9]
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09/20/08 10:24 AM
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OK, I sure got some good answers. Yes, this car is going down the road as soon as it's done in order to further my 64 Polara along. I guess I will probably just repaint the car white. Personally, I think white is boring, and just thought with the 2-tone red interior and the polished Torquethrusts the car would look a lot better in black. I'm even willing to do the extra work, but if the general consensus is the car won't be worth any more in black, I'll save the work and leave it white. Thanks for the input guys.
Jeff Adams
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