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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: mshred]
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04/11/12 08:19 PM
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I REALLY don't think ATF is a good lube for any 833 being used for anything but mild street use  If you need something lighter for cold weather use just get some straight 30 wt. motor oil and mix it 50-50 with 75-90 gear oil. Gus 
64 Plymouth Savoy
493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow
5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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04/11/12 08:21 PM
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I REALLY don't think ATF is a good lube for any 833 being used for anything but mild street use
If you need something lighter for cold weather use just get some straight 30 wt. motor oil and mix it 50-50 with 75-90 gear oil.
Gus
Some say ATF is better, others say gear oil lol...I wasn't running the ATF because of climate- its warm enough here in the summer to run gear oil, and even if it takes longer to warm up, I don't mind. I tried the ATF and feel like if I go to the gear oil it just might be a little better for lubrication...mind you, there are quite a few threads on here with this debate, seems like either or works for people, just a matter which one someone wants to use
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: mshred]
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04/11/12 09:34 PM
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As far as fluid, I have had excellent luck mixing 1 qt of ATF and fill the rest with 80w90 gear oil. It seems to be a good compromise. You can always fine tune the ratio for your liking though. I have tried straight runs of both and they both had shifting issues. So i just combined them.
Outcast Dodge guy.
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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04/11/12 10:22 PM
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The Liberty side cover mod and steel forks are a cheap and worth while modification that really doesn't affect anything else 
I really think you should faceplate third and fourth gear and leave first and second alone for a street box
A good shifter and linkage is the key to clean shifts,for an H-pattern shifter get the Hurst Super Shifter III, for a V-gate go for the Long shifter and fab up your own linkage with heim joints and steel tube shift rods
Gus
I have Gus's old long shifter and modified cover for sale............
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: mshred]
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04/11/12 11:21 PM
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This thread really blew up! I like it! Hopefully there are some more tricks that come out of the woodwork
Unfortunately, short of building a crashbox there aren't a whole lot of mods to improve the box other than what's been posted about the forks, detent mods and shift rods.
And as much as I'd like to take credit for the detent mods, the old Chrysler boys were doing that way back in the '60's and it was published in a race bulletin.
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
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04/12/12 04:03 AM
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sweden
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The Liberty side cover mod and steel forks are a cheap and worth while modification that really doesn't affect anything else
I really think you should faceplate third and fourth gear and leave first and second alone for a street box
A good shifter and linkage is the key to clean shifts,for an H-pattern shifter get the Hurst Super Shifter III, for a V-gate go for the Long shifter and fab up your own linkage with heim joints and steel tube shift rods
Gus
I have Gus's old long shifter and modified cover for sale............
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: mshred]
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04/12/12 08:55 AM
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hey guys,
hopefully this hasn't been covered here before and isn't a naive question. I finally picked up a backup 23 spline box for my car, and right now both are bone stock but in great shape. I beat on my last box last year to the times in my sig with no real issues except sometimes a grinding on the 2-3 shift ( i think clutch adjustment and my technique were to blame there)
This year im planning to run high/mid 11's, and faster on spray. Besides clutch stuff, what tricks are out there to help the transmission live longer, shift better, etc.? I know there is only so much that can be done, and I know its only a 23 spline, but does anyone who has raced or still races these things have any tips or suggestions?
I still street drive mine so all out face plating/pro shifting is out of the picture until I am having trouble at higher rpms. Just looking for ways to get extra life or performance out of it if I can since they are both apart right now and getting back together for the beginning of my season
Did you check the air gap between the flywheel and the disc with the clutch pedal pushed to the floor? If you don't have enough gap then it will be tough power shift. Gap is slightly different for different pressure plate styles but .050" is a good number to shoot for. Some A-body pedals like the ones used in 340/360 cars have a diffent pedal with a longer lever that move the bellcrank slightly more for more air gap so using a 318 or /6 combined with high pressure plate loads may deflect the linkage just enough to not allow enough release for a good power shift. Also way too much air gap will cause problems too. Bottom line of all this mumbo jumbo is check the air gap and correct it if needed.
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: 446acuda]
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04/12/12 09:53 AM
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hey guys,
hopefully this hasn't been covered here before and isn't a naive question. I finally picked up a backup 23 spline box for my car, and right now both are bone stock but in great shape. I beat on my last box last year to the times in my sig with no real issues except sometimes a grinding on the 2-3 shift ( i think clutch adjustment and my technique were to blame there)
This year im planning to run high/mid 11's, and faster on spray. Besides clutch stuff, what tricks are out there to help the transmission live longer, shift better, etc.? I know there is only so much that can be done, and I know its only a 23 spline, but does anyone who has raced or still races these things have any tips or suggestions?
I still street drive mine so all out face plating/pro shifting is out of the picture until I am having trouble at higher rpms. Just looking for ways to get extra life or performance out of it if I can since they are both apart right now and getting back together for the beginning of my season
Did you check the air gap between the flywheel and the disc with the clutch pedal pushed to the floor? If you don't have enough gap then it will be tough power shift. Gap is slightly different for different pressure plate styles but .050" is a good number to shoot for. Some A-body pedals like the ones used in 340/360 cars have a diffent pedal with a longer lever that move the bellcrank slightly more for more air gap so using a 318 or /6 combined with high pressure plate loads may deflect the linkage just enough to not allow enough release for a good power shift. Also way too much air gap will cause problems too. Bottom line of all this mumbo jumbo is check the air gap and correct it if needed.
I accually changed my ratio off a tech article in mopar muscle. I also made all the z bar linkage with tubes and heim joints, thats been covered on here before. As for the other pointers, it was basic tear down, inspection, and tech stuff like that. He told me about what they accually do to the side covers, and that kind of thing. Just give him a call, he is a very cool giy to shoot the breeze with.
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: astjp2]
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04/12/12 03:05 PM
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Does going with the newer style syncro's provide any added benefit?
The new style blocker rings are less likely to crack since there is no sharp corner for a crack to start like the old style has and the syncro struts in the new style synchros hold up better.
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: astjp2]
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04/13/12 10:01 PM
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Passon has main shafts, used and I believe new. If you dont see any listed on his site give him a call he has alot of stuff laying around. Probably the same for brewers as well. Good luck.
68' Barracuda (4 speed)
64' Savoy (4 speed)
65' Satellite (girl tranny)
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Re: A833 tricks and modifications
[Re: astjp2]
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04/14/12 02:15 PM
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sweden
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I was hoping Wayne or Jamie would provide some input on this, I am going to convert an A-body overdrive into a B-body, I only need a few hundred in parts and then I will use it as my cruising tranny until I can afford Jamie's overdive or an 18 spline. I sure hope it will hold up behind a 572 hemi in a B-body....Tim
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