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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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03/28/12 10:22 PM
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I don't see the "carb air" pull off in this pic but I'm probably wrong  unless that spot of red by the radio....
Good eye , that's it.
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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03/29/12 10:09 AM
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Interesting post with very cool pictures. When I read posts like this one I notice 2 things get overlooked, dealerships and body shops. For those that have worked at new car dealerships they know that LOTS of odd things can happen to new cars before they are first sold. Things can get swapped and changed in many ways before the car has its first owner. Wheels, interior, engines/drivetrain, it is not uncommon. Cars get damaged the first day of ownership and they get repaired, sometimes incorrectly, adding emblems, trim, and stripes in the wrong places. The paint gets matched nicely and folks swear it is original, but it is not. There must be many new car dealership stories out there.
i started working at a new car dealership at the tender age of 13yo, lied about my age and got away with it. at 50yo i still am, different dealer.
i have repaired 100's of new cars that were damaged before a customer ever looked at them. i have swapped wheels, tires, interior trim, and even sheetmetal between cars.
my 72 road runner was purchased NEW with 15 miles on the car. it was a 2 owner car, the original buyer and a flipper i bought it from who bought it and parked it. when i repaired the car both fenders were replaced with used fenders of a different color, both door skins were replaced, the 1/4 panels had filler in them, the bumpers were replaced with bumpers with guards on them that weren't supposed to be on the car, and both sides of the car were repainted. i spoke briefly with the original purchaser of the car briefly at a car show, dummy me never saved the contact info. he said when he owned it it was never in a accident.
so many unusual things that happen to a car or unusual way it was assembled don't always happen at the factory.
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
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03/31/12 10:08 PM
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I don't really consider this a "never say never" situation. It's more like they stuck a badge at the factory where there should be none - just a goof and nothing more. 
without knowing how it came from day one
it really proves a whole lot of nothing 
the fenders could of easily been changed out early in life
with fenders that had been the same color from a non grabber car.
you see primer on the hood, far from untouched....
all it takes is a matter of twisting a few bolts...
it happened alot back then. 
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 12:30 AM
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I don't really consider this a "never say never" situation. It's more like they stuck a badge at the factory where there should be none - just a goof and nothing more.
I agree but the error was installing fenders with emblem holes.
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 11:16 AM
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Seems the fender emblems were provided with the center hood scoop hood and not the outboard twin scoop hood.
Mike,on the one I had I would debate you until the day I die.Also, they were not stick on,they had pin's.
 
On another note as to never say never,find me information anywhere on a 62 Savoy "9 passenger" wagon,you won't but I have one.Through Chrysler Historical,I found out two were built,both special order and both went to Government agencies,one state and one federal.
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 12:00 PM
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I don't really consider this a "never say never" situation. It's more like they stuck a badge at the factory where there should be none - just a goof and nothing more.
I agree but the error was installing fenders with emblem holes.
Thats it....
The fact the the 383 were called out on the hood would make the fender emblems redundant. Stuff like this happened all the time and probably wasnt as rare as people might think. How about the 71 Charger R/T with the Super Bee decal on the hood?
MB
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 08:55 PM
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At the Don Garlits Museum in FL there is a 4 door factory hemi coronet. Has all the docs with it. Was ordered by the feds as a new pursuit vehicle. They changed there mind after testing and all it wanted to do was fry the tires. lol Cool car.
4-door Hemi.....how about one in gold, Mike Ross's B/E&A..it has all of the doc's to back it up also
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 09:16 PM
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At the Don Garlits Museum in FL there is a 4 door factory hemi coronet. Has all the docs with it. Was ordered by the feds as a new pursuit vehicle. They changed there mind after testing and all it wanted to do was fry the tires. lol Cool car.
That story is unsubstantiated. The other two 4-door Hemi Coronets were built for private individuals. The stories on those two cars are unremarkable other than the special-order process.
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Re: For all you 70 Super Bee guys - NEVER say never!
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04/01/12 10:46 PM
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Yes, LOL. It doesn't prove anything. However here ARE the facts that ARE known. I bought this Bee in Sept 1981 from the 2nd owner. He did SQUAT to the car other then trash the engine by pouring gas down the carb to get it started cause he was a dumba$$ and didn't know how to work on cars. The story from him is that he bought it in '73 from the original owner (some guy named Rudy who lived in Harrisburg PA (where the 2nd owner lived) When the owner that I bought it from seized the engine up, it SAT next to his house in Pennbrook PA from Dec 1975 until Sept 1981 when I picked it up. After all this discussion about who did what to the car - (that frankly I find very amusing)IE: anywhere from someone changing the hood- DUH,to changing the fenders from a wreck- could be but, I'm not buying that notion- I pulled the nose off just for something to do when I was 16 ( I was intrigued as to how the bumpers came off) The fenders bolts still had paint on them- no sign of being removed (paint cracks/missing paint on bolts). to putting the emblems on at the dealer.. THIS I could see happen. The original and 2nd owner could have mounted the emblems (well, I say 100% unlikely the 2nd owner- you would have to have know him- but that's another story) However, the placement is exactly where they belong on the fenders. So, at the end of the day where do we stand on this? I stand where I know that I DIDN'T change the fenders or the hood so that rules me out. The prior owner before me didn't have squat to his name or any want to do anything to it so I'm going with a big NO for him changing it. BTW- as a side note - not that this makes any difference, the 2nd owner sold the Bee to me to fix up his 78 Datsun 280Z ... Bad choice but that's ancient history. Lastly, from the production of the car until the 2nd owner is the mystery. Whatever reason the emblems were placed on the car is the unknown. Another hypothetical is the wrong fenders at the factory? As for the guy saying something about primer on the hood. That car had ALOT of primer on the hood top of fenders, and lower qtrs after I bought it. It's called repairing rust holes to save the original sheetmetal . I know this clears likely nothing up but as stated in the 1st post, I just wanted to share a cool piece of mopar oddity. Best to all you guys/gals 
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……photo back to 1970 proves……… ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING but if that’s all it takes is a photo or two and the second owner said it was on there then I’m with you. 
