Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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03/03/12 12:14 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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From what I have seen and read, the Six Pack is more about street image and visual appeal than actual performance. A well tuned 4 barrel is hard to beat.
anything can be tuned, even a six pack. I'm running a completely stock six pack on my 440. Car is pushing 600hp and will probably be in the 11.teens to 11.0's this year. I'm sure the 6-pack has it's limits but if you're running a 750-850DP the six pack is tough to beat especially at the big end. When the outboards open it's way more jarring than a 4bbl.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: pinkduster]
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03/03/12 12:27 PM
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Mr340
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You might actually find more 340 six pack builds in E-bodies because of guys trying to emulate the AAR and T/A cars.
Funny thing is in this pic I have the R/T hood on the car.
I put the T/A hood on after I swapped motors and went to a single 4bbl.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/03/12 12:33 PM
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Im a little on the fence as to why people think that the A body croud are poor budget hot rodders. I know the only reason I have mmy Demon is because I love the demon body style. I also love the super bee, Charger, coronet, challenger, cuda, road runner, gtx, you get the idea. As for the six pack, I seriously thought about running one on my 408, and kinda wish I did, but I was a lot younger then and thought my hood wouldnt clear without cutting a huge hole in there so thats the only reason I didnt. I just didnt reserch it and just made a decision based on what looked like no room. I even had the intake and carbs for it at the time.
Just no air cleaner to mock it up to.
I have close to 20 years, and closer to 20+K in the Demons body, paint, trans, rear end, tires and wheel, I have closer to 8 in the engine, so money wasnt an issue with me, as I did it in time and the cost felt less because of the time frame.
Im getting a fresh start in the sixpack world here in a while when I pop a set up on the Ramcharger im building, and if I dont like it or get confused on the set up I can always sell it as its a complete 70 set up air cleaner to carbs to intake.
Still looking for that 70 v code super bee to restore thats affordable.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: Moparnut426]
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03/03/12 01:56 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms
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Ok, some interesting responses to my post (hits some nerves eh?). Keep in mind that my current project is a small block A-body, and I chose it because I love the looks, it's certainly not been a cheap car to restore! My "A-body guys are cheap" comment was tongue in cheek, not a looking down my snob nose at the lowly A-body crowd I assure you. That said I have to say that over the years of observing this hobby there is a strong eliment of truth/fact to that comment, although "cheap" is probably a bit harsh, it's more likely that it's a matter of affordability and that A-body cars have generally been at the lower end of the value scale, I.E. affordable to the average working stiff (put me in that catagory). Ok, so a straight answer to the OP question? IMO It's a combo of many things in no specific order: * Not needed to make equal or POSSIBLY slightly more power over a 4 barrel * Affordability * Small "clone crowd" with the TA and AAR's being the sole factory SB 6 pack cars. * Tunability (although I don't see this as an issue at all, some are intimidated by all those carbs!) I think the single biggest reason that most run 6 packs on small blocks is visiual appeal, they do look super cool when you pop the hood
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/03/12 02:07 PM
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A57_RT
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Scott, your rep and skills in the mopar world go far past many. When one with your good rep and skills slips a lil on a comment its taken a bit different then if joe blow made it. We all know your a big a body supporter/lover, but yes id guess maybe since you do alot of higher end bb six pack/hemi/max wedge carb resto stuff its easy to understand your comment. But hey, look at it this way....when you post, people read it, thats a good thing. Just chalk it up to a off the cuff comment some can take out of context. We all knows the cars you have owned and could own, but you pick an a body because you like them.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: 2boltmain]
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03/04/12 12:48 AM
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Six packs are expensive already- but then to be easily tunable you have to pony up additonal $$ for the metering blocks with replacable screw in jets. I ran the Edelbrock CH-28 with 2 500cfm Edelbrock carbs on my Challengers. The entire setup was about $1000 less than the 6 pack. I plan on an Offenhauser 2x4 on my 360. Mutliple under hood carbs do not have the lead in performance but look COOL AND ERA CORRECT!!
you don't have to buy a bunch of junk or gadjets to make a 6-pak work. usually thats the worst thing a guy can do.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
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03/04/12 12:49 AM
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Is it perhaps because a 750cfm single 4bbl is enough carb for a hot street/strip 340 or 360 where a big block may want more?
very logical comment. a thermoquad 340 is very potent mouse poison.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/04/12 02:47 AM
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Simple if you ask me, most small block cars you see are A-bodies, and A-body guys are also low budget guys (same goes for many SB powered B-body owners for that matter), a good running Six Pack setup will run you in the range of $1,500-$2,500.00 all in, and that's as much as many of those guys have in thier entire car.
WOW what a low blow. The reason I built an A body was because of weight. My car is 3100 lb with me in it. Throw in a stroker small block (not cheap) and it goes! And yes I have had six packs. I dont now, but I do like them. Your comment was low budget.
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: RUNCHARGER]
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03/04/12 03:01 AM
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It just seemed to me that I always see alot of bigblocks with the 6pk setup and not many smallblocks. I know more bigblock models came with the 6pk in the B-bodies then the smallblocks came in. The 340 six pack was only in the 70 E-bodies or the 1971 Mr Norm Demon. But I see many cloned bigblock cars using them. Just seems since Mopar had the smallblock and bigblock 6pk cars that you would see more on the smallblock then you do. Ron
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Re: Why no smallblock 6 packs ?
[Re: RUNCHARGER]
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03/04/12 04:38 AM
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Sheldon actually its funny you mention that, my current build is a stock appearing (actual 355 inch) 340-6 however it based on a X block (alt will hide the X) offset crank 3.455 stroke/4.050 bore, 12.8 domed, cammed down to 10.4 (solid), X heads, modified oem intake and if the oem valve covers wont fit I will buy the lil spacers made now. My point is other then small headers or oem hp manifolds this should be a nice little ringer motor and look stock at a real world 500/470, Ive nailed close to that with less head flow and less comp. Time will tell, going for the oem look if one could get a small block six pack in a mid 70-s F-body. Car has equally built 904 and S60 with 4:56 gears. Light F body coupe RR built as a time period correct possible car using time period correct parts with one main purpose, smoke small block cars, and go BB hunting as if it was still the mid 70-s. Quote:
Any small block I've built has been stealthy looking. Stock 340 intakes, stock valve covers, maybe a set of headers and that's it. A six pack blows the stealth factor. There's something about a stock looking smallblock that you shift at 7500 and blows away big blocks that just makes it.
Sheldon
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