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Do I need zinc additive?
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02/01/12 11:52 AM
02/01/12 11:52 AM
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larrymopar360
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I should have thought of this sooner; should I be using a zinc additive in my stock 1980 E58 Aspen?
Thanks.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: chargincharles]
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02/01/12 03:48 PM
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anything I own NON roller gets it, Hell even my Full roller 408 gets it. Its good oil, and parts like it.
Im a Brad Penn guy, so everything I own except my 07 Charger, and my 79 John Deere 4230 gets brad penn, 2 harleys, my Demon, my Ramcharger, my 78 power wagon, everything.....
there is Brad penn 10w30
Kasey
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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02/02/12 02:13 AM
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I know there are varying views on this, but I am a little concerned about synthetic in it due to very high mileage. I will at least use an additive now though. Thanks.
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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02/02/12 08:47 AM
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Hard to beat Lucas for the money. One bottle of the break-in additive will do 3-4 oil changes. Local Advanced Autos carry it too, so no shipping. 
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
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02/02/12 10:11 AM
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a small bottle of STP will do fine the red bottle for 4 cyls has more than the blue on the ZDDP lucas/hughes/comp/GM break in additives will work. I just use a blue bottle of STP in my 440 with a 10/30 napa house brand oil change. I use a napa gold filter on all of mine  my roller cam in the SB gets a bottle of STP and the 10/30 oil also,cant hurt to run I geuss..but I did go roller for this reason,and its now in the 2nd engine with different roller lifters this time. no need for to much snake oil additives,i think some of the gas tretment might help carbon up the valves like mine were  I am cheap and use the STP from walmart for 2.00$ a bottle  
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: chargincharles]
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02/02/12 10:29 AM
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If it were me- Anything made before 1990 gets Zinc additive- or I run Delvac or Rotella or comparable diesel oil. Not the synthetic though. The standard diesel oils have a high zinc content.
Run a search of the forum, you will find a number of posts about this topic.
CC.
Weren't the diesel oils changed about 4 years ago though ?
I would say he wants an ADDITIVE , how is break in lube formulated compared to an additive.
I think the best oil is one that has the zinc in it .
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: JohnRR]
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02/02/12 12:32 PM
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If it were me- Anything made before 1990 gets Zinc additive- or I run Delvac or Rotella or comparable diesel oil. Not the synthetic though. The standard diesel oils have a high zinc content.
Run a search of the forum, you will find a number of posts about this topic.
CC.
Weren't the diesel oils changed about 4 years ago though ?
I would say he wants an ADDITIVE , how is break in lube formulated compared to an additive.
I think the best oil is one that has the zinc in it .
would 5 qrts of STP be enuff ZDDP?
I have used 2-3 qrts to quiet the rod knock down before..be me thinks it was a little to late at the time for ZDDP to save it. 
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
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02/02/12 12:50 PM
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For a stock 360? Guys, get real. Stock valve springs that have way less than 100# seat pressure, already broken in, with a .4" lift cam? Whatever oil you buy will have plenty of lubrication power. There are literally millions of flat tappet stock engines running around using whatever oil Grease Monkey puts in with no failures.
Find something more important to worry about. Like the high price of arugula at your local grocer's (No_Politics reference).
R.
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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02/02/12 12:51 PM
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If it were me- Anything made before 1990 gets Zinc additive- or I run Delvac or Rotella or comparable diesel oil. Not the synthetic though. The standard diesel oils have a high zinc content.
Run a search of the forum, you will find a number of posts about this topic.
CC.
Weren't the diesel oils changed about 4 years ago though ?
I would say he wants an ADDITIVE , how is break in lube formulated compared to an additive.
I think the best oil is one that has the zinc in it .
would 5 qrts of STP be enuff ZDDP?
I have used 2-3 qrts to quiet the rod knock down before..be me thinks it was a little to late at the time for ZDDP to save it.
The zinc is for the cam and lifters not the bearings.
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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02/02/12 12:59 PM
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I tend to run VR-1 in my cars, 20w-50 during hot months...
OR rotella...
However...I will say one thing....
I have an 87 Ramcharger that I installed a rebuilt 440...when i broke the engine in I did the usual...run at different rpms for 1/2 hour holding, and used straight30w detergent oil....HOWEVER, since then, it gets whatever cheap-ass-shitty oil I can buy on discount from whatever store....it was my daily driver from 98-07 with that engine....now its a plow truck, but the engine starts and runs just fine...all this zinc talk...and the cheap oil never had ANY effect on the 440.....maybe its just a testament to how great Mopar engines are...
Rick
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1971 Plymouth Roadrunner
1998 Jeep Cherokee
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: JohnRR]
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02/03/12 07:39 PM
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If it were me- Anything made before 1990 gets Zinc additive- or I run Delvac or Rotella or comparable diesel oil. Not the synthetic though. The standard diesel oils have a high zinc content.
Run a search of the forum, you will find a number of posts about this topic.
CC.
Weren't the diesel oils changed about 4 years ago though ?
I would say he wants an ADDITIVE , how is break in lube formulated compared to an additive.
I think the best oil is one that has the zinc in it .
would 5 qrts of STP be enuff ZDDP?
I have used 2-3 qrts to quiet the rod knock down before..be me thinks it was a little to late at the time for ZDDP to save it.
The zinc is for the cam and lifters not the bearings.
you didnt get it did you John?
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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02/04/12 04:30 AM
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If a little zinc additive won't hurt it I would rather have it for extra peace of mind. It is a high mileage stock E58. I would feel better with it. Mike: I am going to run a fuel system cleaner thru it too, thanks.
L
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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02/04/12 08:36 PM
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I'd be willing to bet any diesel oil will have plenty ZDDP in it for a stock 360.
Rotella synthetic blend?
I bought a bunch of STP oil stabilizer. (no longer made) Nothing to use it in right now.
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Re: Do I need zinc additive?
[Re: larrymopar360]
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02/05/12 05:58 PM
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I should have thought of this sooner; should I be using a zinc additive in my stock 1980 E58 Aspen?
Thanks.
The cheapeast wallmart brand oil available today is lightyears ahead of the best oil in the 70s/80s/ most of the 90s. Imo, I wouldn't worry about adding zinc. Especially in a hydraulic cammed engine.
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