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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Craig,
Nothing takes away more from a nice paint job then jacked up panel gaps. What is a good source to go to for learning how to align panels and fixing gaps? I butt welded my floor sections, 1/4 patch panels and various repair patches and just about have my 69 Charger ready to send off to the body man, but you got me thinking.
On my 70 Cuda, I can't stand the trunk lid to dutch-man panel gap isn't right, how did you fix that one?
"It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar!"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Did bodywork with seals and trim installed. The seals set the doors and trunk lid at the correct gap. The trim lets you flush up without getting too close that you scratch paint when installing  I'm trying to understand and internalize this. I can see that this is really going the extra mile to achieve a higher result, but I can't figure out this one. Which is sad because I am getting close to primer and paint. So install the seals and all trim like I'm done and then align panels and doors, then remove trim and seals and paint? Clearly this attention to detail is the difference between a 5k paint job and a 15k paint job, or a lot more. Do they teach this technique at the average Community College Auto Body Course??? Know of a good book that goes over this??
"It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar!"
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1969 Road Runner 383
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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02/09/12 01:45 PM
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Craig,
Nothing takes away more from a nice paint job then jacked up panel gaps. What is a good source to go to for learning how to align panels and fixing gaps? I butt welded my floor sections, 1/4 patch panels and various repair patches and just about have my 69 Charger ready to send off to the body man, but you got me thinking.
On my 70 Cuda, I can't stand the trunk lid to dutch-man panel gap isn't right, how did you fix that one?
Panel alignment is easy in theory, but a pain in reality. Start at the rear quarter panel. It is not adjustable. Hard body lines cannot be moved either. Line up the door body lines the the quarter body lines. Don't concern yourself with gaps right now. You just want the body lines straight. Close up the door to quarter gap to your desired gap. Keep the body line straight. Don't worry if the gap is straight, just close it up until the closest point is your desired gap. Move to the fender and do the same, hood, header, etc... The trunk should be aligned at the back to the rear of the quarters. Again you are lining up hard body lines that cannot move. You will then have to add material to the trunk surround, door edges, etc... I usually just tig weld an 1/8" rod to the edges and use a body file to cut it back to the desired gap. Some places may require cutting a sheet metal strip. My door bottoms needed between an 1/8" and a 1/4" filler strip. I just cut a tapered filler from sheetmetal and tig'd it in place. Your body guy should be able to handle all of this. It is very labor intensive, i.e. expensive, but important all edges are metal, not made with filler!!! It will chip!!
My trunk also had a huge gap that your talking about. I added material to the trunk lid, but you have to be careful on that gap because the trunk will hit the body when opening.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Did bodywork with seals and trim installed. The seals set the doors and trunk lid at the correct gap. The trim lets you flush up without getting too close that you scratch paint when installing
I'm trying to understand and internalize this. I can see that this is really going the extra mile to achieve a higher result, but I can't figure out this one. Which is sad because I am getting close to primer and paint. So install the seals and all trim like I'm done and then align panels and doors, then remove trim and seals and paint?
Clearly this attention to detail is the difference between a 5k paint job and a 15k paint job, or a lot more.
Do they teach this technique at the average Community College Auto Body Course??? Know of a good book that goes over this??
Fitting the trim is very important for a few reasons. The front and rear surrounds are critical. The stud position for the trim clips is fixed. You need to snap the trim on and see if it scratched the primer when snapped in place. That means it will scratch the paint too. When snapped in place, is it flush with the body or is their a gap? You need to cut off the trim studs and install a thread in one. This allows you to move the trim further away or closer to the body. It is important that the glass be in the correct position. I thread a blunt screw in each corner to "set" the glass in the proper position. I can manipulate the glass closer or further from the channel to also change how the trim fits. When I find something I'm comfortable with, I then need to do body work to work with the trim position. An example is the side molding on the rear glass of my car. The trim was straightened and installed. The seam where the roof meets the quarter is under this trim. The trim and glass position was correct but the trim to body gap fluctuated, so it needed a light wipe and block. That is trim removed, wiped, blocked, trim refit, removed, blocked, wiped if necessary and so on. It takes TIME!!!
When your done, leave the screw standoffs in the channel. When your ready to install the glass, the standoffs will position the glass correctly, and when the Butyl is dry, remove the screws from the inside.
Door and trunk seals are critical for setting panel alignment. Same with rubber bumpers. They all need to be installed (taped in place). I've seen people do awesome panel fitment and then put a trunk seal in and it jacks the lid all up, or the doors hang out, etc...
I would think most classes would teach production body shop techniques, this is NOT production type work.
Thanks, Craig
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Awesome project. My favorite is your engine bay and how you have it fit for the turbos. 
Thanks, it always makes you feel good when someone can appreciate the amount of time and labor you have in something...maybe I can get you to talk to my wife.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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02/15/12 02:23 PM
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I love it! I am glad I am not the only one cutting up a rust free ebody! I am heading in a very similar direction except I am running a little larger tire in the back.
Was the K frame hard to engineer? I still can't justify paying 4gs to buy one right now.
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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I love it! I am glad I am not the only one cutting up a rust free ebody! I am heading in a very similar direction except I am running a little larger tire in the back.
Was the K frame hard to engineer? I still can't justify paying 4gs to buy one right now.
Josh
Thanks. The world doesn't really need another restored E-Body, so I'm with you. I always hear, "It's one of 60 or something" and I think yeah, and.....pretty much everything was at least a one of 60 or so, nothing special. Besides, if it's not enjoyable to drive, why own it?
K-frame is pretty easy. Just build a jig from the donor car. The automakers spent millions on design and engineering, so it's pretty safe to assume if you copy what they did, it will work very well!!
Check out my '37 Plymouth truck thread. It has a quickie how to on building a jig.
Thanks, Craig
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Just finished in the booth. A few quick crappy pictures. Will post more in a few days... water base coat.   and clear. 
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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All I can say is that's a work of art!! I just want a ride in it. It should be as tight as a new car with the gusseting that you have done. Please keep posting...
Thank you. This is starting to get to the good part!! I will post more as I get them. A want to do a little touch up on the bottom and spray the undercoat in the rear wheel wells before taking it off the rotisserie. We'll paint the outside on the body dolly. Hopefully in a month.
Thanks again
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Wow, your car is incredible. I really enjoy seeing that level of fabrication work. 
Thanks. It's not as flashy as some of the recent pro-touring cars, but a lot of those mods tend to date a car to a specific period (like billet wheels and tribal graphics). I wanted subtle mods that would preserve the original 'Cuda, which is timeless!!
Thanks again.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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And a lot of the current Pro Touring cars get rid of the inner fender shock towers which I think really define a Mopar front end. It's cool that you kept them even though it wasn't necessary.
I knew I was going to keep them, so I incorporated them into a structural part. The lower was boxed for the control arm. I tied it into the down bars and actually use it for the upper coil over mount. I closed up the old shock hole, but have since built a strut tower brace that mounts where the old shock was.
It's a little heavier than cutting them out, but I went more for authenticity/purity. It still looks like a Mopar and a 'Cuda.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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No one has noticed the tunnel? I centered the engine/trans from the original passenger bias that was their to clear the steering box. The engine is set back 1" and lowered 2". Guess I need to wait until I put the engine in and post the pics.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: My '70 'Cuda twin turbo build.
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Absolutely awesome build. Excellent work, and its all done the right way. Ive been around fab work, done a lot of fab work, etc. and can appreciate the time invested in this project. Keep it up, and keep the pictures coming.
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