Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: HUSTLESTUFF]
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03/05/13 04:46 PM
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Entry/Update Date: 3/5/13
Model: Barracuda
Year: 70
Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver
Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever
Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan
Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs
Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter
Speeds: 4
Gears: .69 overdrive
RE Ratio: 3.91:1
RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip
Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/45R17 BFG T/A
Front Rim width: 17x8
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 305/45R17 BFG T/A
Rear Rim Width: 17x9.5
Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member 4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in
TB Dia: 1.06
Coil Rate:
Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable
Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers
Shocks: QA1 double adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: None
Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads
Rotor Dia Width: 10.87
Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston
Cooling Ducts:None
Rear Brakes: stock drum
Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2
Rotor Dia: n/a
Rotor width: n/a
Caliper- Pistons : n/a
Parking Brake: stock
Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/16
Chassis:
Subframe Connectors: XV
Torque Boxes: none
Roll bar, Roll Cage: none
Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement
Comments: Sure!
1. Best above improvement: Shocks
2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires
3. Next improvement: tires, torque boxes, brakes, maybe wheels
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6-7 on current tires (they're 15 years old and hard as rocks)
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Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
#1156399
04/26/13 02:06 AM
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ntstlgl1970
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Entry/Update Date: 4/25/13 - changed a couple of things
Model: Barracuda
Year: 70
Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver
Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever
Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan sectioned to clear center link at full lock w/stock length idler and pitman arms
Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs
Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter
Speeds: 4
Gears: .69 overdrive
RE Ratio: 3.91:1
RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip
Front Tire Size Brand Model: 265/35R18 Nitto Invo
Front Rim width: 18x9.5
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35R18 Nitto Invo
Rear Rim Width: 18x10
Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member 4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in
TB Dia: 1.06
Coil Rate:
Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable
Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers
Shocks: QA1 double adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: None
Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads
Rotor Dia Width: 10.87
Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston
Cooling Ducts:None
Rear Brakes: stock drum
Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2
Rotor Dia: n/a
Rotor width: n/a
Caliper- Pistons : n/a
Parking Brake: stock
Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/32
Chassis:
Subframe Connectors: XV
Torque Boxes: US Car Tool
Roll bar, Roll Cage: none
Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement, US car tool torque boxes F+R
Comments: Sure!
1. Best above improvement: New tires, Shocks
2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires
3. Next improvement: brakes
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): hope to find out after I get the tires mounted next week
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Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: ntstlgl1970]
#1156400
08/28/13 01:21 AM
08/28/13 01:21 AM
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Entry/Update Date: #1, 27 AUG 2013 Model: Gold Duster, under construction hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs Year: 1974 Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross Engine: 365, ported Eddy RPM heads, RPM Airgap, 10.25:1 Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp & 421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers & compression bump Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell housing, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Home built Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, auto to 4sp hump conversion Gears: stock RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, shortend & resplined C body axles, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers
Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15 Front Rim width: 15x7 4.0"BS Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have and I have 2 sets to wear out!) Rear Rim Width: 15x10
Front TB Dia: .890s for now but going bigger Front End brand: stock K fully welded & gusseted Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox - to be purchased Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front swaybar UCA: OEM w/ Moog K7103 offset bushings TR: OEM 9/16" to be replaced by 11/16" Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adjustable LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub with lower 4 link mounts "in frame" Shocks: Strange single adjustable w/ current QA1 150# springs to be matched with eventual TB selection Adj Setting: Compression Rear Sway bar Dia: NA
Front Brakes: OEM single piston B body caliper, braided DOT hoses Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0 Caliper Piston: 2.75" Cooling Ducts: yes
Rear Brakes: OEM '85 New Yorker finned drum Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5
Rotor Dia Width: not yet Caliper: dito above Parking Brake: yes, OEM w/ modifications
MC: OEM, Power disk off '85 New Yorker w/ 2 to 4 bolt adapter Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32" Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 disk w/ aftermarket bias adjuster plumbed in rear line Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate
Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler plumbed into return line, floor shift power steering column conversion
Chassis OEM Subframe Connectors: Home built 2x3" .120 wall welded & tied into rockers Torque Boxes: no Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing seat harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat delete option Aftermarket stiffeners: Homemade 2x3 .120 wall lower radiator cross bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM firewall to fender struts tied into homemade shock tower brace
Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress
1. Best above improvement:
2. Least effective above improvement: definitely tires and rims!
3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!
5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now
Last edited by Rapom65; 09/08/13 01:39 PM.
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Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: Rapom65]
#1156401
09/03/13 05:53 PM
09/03/13 05:53 PM
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Consulier
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Entry/Update Date: 09/03/2013 Model: Plymouth Satellite Sedan Year: 1970 Weight: about 3,850 Application: Autocross, Track Day Engine Package briefly: Aluminum head 451, 11:1 compression, hydraulic cam, 750 cfm carb, 1 3/4" Hedman headers with 3" Flowmaster exhaust Estimate HP: 525 FW Trans: Keisler RS 600 Speeds: 5 Flywheel: RAM Aluminum Clutch: RAM Diaphragm Gears: 2.80, 1.99, 1.33, 1.0, 0.67 RE Ratio: 3.73:1 RE Type: 8 3/4, 489 Case, True Trac Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35/18 Falken RT-615k Front Rim width: 10" Weld RTS Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/40/18 Falken RT-615k Rear Rim Width: 10" Weld RTS Aftermarket Front End brand: Chrysler TB Dia: 1.06 Front Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25" Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox Rear Sway bar Dia: 1.0" Adjustable Front Brakes: AR Engineering / Dr Diff Viper Caliper Conversion with Hawk HT-10 pads Rotor Dia Width: 11.75" x 1.0" iron Cordoba rotors Caliper-Pistons: First Generation Viper Calipers Cooling Ducts: N/A Rear Brakes: Dr Diff Cobra Conversion with Hawk Blue pads Rotor Dia: 12" Rotor width: 0.75" Caliper- Pistons : Single Piston Cobra Caliper Parking Brake: N/A Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1.0" Chassis: Stock K-Member: Stock with minor reinforcements on strut rod attachment points Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis Torque Boxes: N/A Roll bar, Roll Cage: N/A Aftermarket stiffeners: N/A Steering: Firm Feel Stage 2 Steering Support: Firm Feel Sector Support Kit Steering Quickener: Firm Feel large sector pinion and idler arm Bumpsteer Modifications: Hotchkis adjustable steering rod kit Strut Rods: Hotchkis adjustable Upper Control Arms: Hotchkis tubular Lower Control Arms: Stock unboxed Alignment: -2.0 Camber, 1/16" Toe-In, 6 degrees of Caster Comments: The car is a 100% bolt on with zero fabrication built on my garage floor with hand tools. There is nothing special and everything is readily available to duplicate the entire package. The only sorting that has ever been done to the car is the breather system and moved to a 295 rear tire. Suspension has been unchanged since the car was built and only the rear swaybar has been adjusted. 1. Best above improvement: 5 speed and suspension 2. Least effective above improvement: New door panels 3. Next improvement: 295 front tire 4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9.5 - just too heavy still
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Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: Consulier]
#1156402
12/09/13 03:38 AM
12/09/13 03:38 AM
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So, I guess we can't go back and edit our posts for some reason?? Since my post I had the new, massive front sway bar(Hotchkis) installed, put slightly bigger wheels/tires on the front and have bilsteins from Hotchkis all around. Can definitely feel the improvement, but next will be some sub-frame connectors. Unfortunately, I'm building a stroker motor for the bee and the connectors will be the first thing added after I get the driveline squared away. The guys I had put the front sway bar in had some difficulty and I'll post some pics next time I go out in the shed as to what they had to do to make it fit.
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Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register?
[Re: Rapom65]
#1156403
02/01/14 02:30 PM
02/01/14 02:30 PM
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Entry/Update Date: #2 / 1 Feb 2014
Model: Gold Duster, hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs
Year: 1974
Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross
Engine: 365 cu in, ported Eddy RPM heads/airgap, 10.25:1, Holley 750 , TTI headers
Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp/421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers/compression bump
Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, 4sp hump conversion Gears: stock
RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, C body axles, 3" studs, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers
Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15
Front Rim width: 15x7 4"BS
Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have plus I have 2 new sets to wear out!)
Rear Rim Width: 15x10 3 5/16" BS
Front TB Dia: .890s for now but 1.06 planned
Front End brand: stock K welded & gusseted
Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox non-adj
Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow
Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front sway bar
UCA: OEM, Moog K7103 offset bushings
TR: OEM 9/16", Proform alum adj
Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adj
LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate
Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA
Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub, lower 4 link mounts "in frame"
Shocks: Strange single adj, QA1 150# springs to be matched with TB upgrade
Adj Setting: Compression Rear Sway bar Dia: NA
Front Brakes: '76 single piston, braided DOT hoses
Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic
Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0
Caliper Piston: 2.75"
Cooling Ducts: yes
Rear Brakes: '85 New Yorker finned drum
Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5
Rotor Dia Width: NA
Caliper: dito above
Parking Brake: OEM w/ modifications
MC: '85 New Yorker power disk, 4 bolt adapter
Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32"
Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body disk
Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 A body disk, bias adjuster plumbed in rear line
Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate
Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler in return line, floor shift power steering column conversion
Chassis: OEM
Subframe Connectors: 2 x 3 x .120 wall welded & tied into rockers
Torque Boxes: no
Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat deleted w/ firewall
Aftermarket stiffeners: 2 x 3 x .120 wall lower radiator support bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM fender support struts tied into engine compartment cross brace
Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress
1. Best above improvement:
2. Least effective above improvement:
3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately "FAST" fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!
5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: jcc]
#1156404
02/02/14 08:21 AM
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Entry/Update Date: - Feb 2, 2014 Model: - 1973 Dodge Dart Swinger. Weight: - ca. 1550kg / 3400+ lbs less driver. Application: Daily Driver ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLEEngine Package briefly: - 2bbl 318ci Propane-fueled Estimate HP: - 145hp (dyno’d RWHP) Trans: - A518 OD RE Ratio/Type: - 3.91:1 SureGrip WHEELSFront/Rear Tires and Wheels: - 215/45/17 Michelin Tires on 7J Showwheels FRONT SUSPENSIONAftermarket Front End brand: - stock Bushing material: - Polyurethane TB Dia: - 1" JustSuspension torsionbars Front Shocks: - KYB Front Sway bar Dia: - Hellwig 1-1/8" UCA upgrades / type / brand - stock LCA upgrades / type / brand - stock REAR SUSPENSIONRear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Stock with 2 extra leafs per side. Bushing material: - Polyurethane Shocks: - Monroe SensaTrack LoadAdjusters Rear Sway bar Dia: - None BRAKESFront Brakes: - '73 Chrysler Rotor Dia / Width: - 11.75" / 1.25" Caliper-Pistons: - '73 Chrysler Cooling Ducts:Brake pad material / brand - HAWK HPS Rear Brakes: - 10" drums Parking Brake: - Stock Brake pad/shoe material / brand - stock Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" DrDiff mastercylinder Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other - STEERINGPower / Manual - Power Box or Rack / type - Borgeson powersteering box Steering pump - Saginaw Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock Tie-rod diameter - stock ALIGNMENT SPECSCaster - 1.5 deg. Camber - 2 deg. Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/8” IN Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 2" lower Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1 to 2" lower CHASSIS / FRAMEChassis: - stock Subframe Connectors: - homemade 2x3" Torque Boxes: - Roll bar, Roll Cage: - Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: - COMMENTS: - none 1. Best above improvement(s): - Hellwig swaybar 2. Least effective above improvement - paint 3. Next improvement - Torque boxes / Body stiffening (read: rust removal) 4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7 4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 9 PICTURES
Last edited by BigBlockMopar; 02/02/14 03:36 PM.
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
#1156405
02/03/14 03:41 AM
02/03/14 03:41 AM
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Info on my hooptie:
Entry/Update Date: Baseline / 3 Feb 14
Model: 'Cuda
Year: 1972ish
Weight: ?
Application: Mix
Engine Package briefly: Get this... Original running 50,000 mile 440 out of a 1969 Yorker I bought for $250, compression tested 180 psi (+/- 5 psi), never rebuilt. Eddie RPM intake/cam, Crane roller rockers, stock heads have never been pulled off, Hooker Super Comp headers, remote valve breather catch can. (this replaced the non #'s matching 318)
Estimate HP: 280 RWHP, 350 RWTQ via mobile chassis dyno
Trans: TCI 727 with pro-street manual valvebody, GV overdrive
RE Ratio: 3.55
RE Type: Sure Grip
Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35-18 Nitto NT05
Front Rim width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x9, w/ 1" spacer
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35-18 Nitto NT05
Rear Rim Width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x10, w/ 3/8" spacer
Front End: Stock rebuild with PST polygraphite bushngs
TB Dia: Stock small block
Front Shocks: KYB gas-a-just
Front Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings
Rear Leaf Suspension: Stock small block leafs, Mopar Performance 3/4" offset A-body hangers, 3/4" offset rear shackels, relocated spring pearches
Rear Shocks: Auto Zone specials, which replaced the air shocks that were on it.
Rear Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings
Front Brakes: Stock disks ('73?)
Caliper-Pistons: Stock single piston
Rear Brakes: Stock Drums
Dual Circuit Dia MC: Stock with vacuum booster
Chassis: Stock
Subframe Connectors: Not yet
Torque Boxes: Not yet
Roll bar, Roll Cage: Nope
Aftermarket stiffeners: Nope
Comments: On the To-Do list: Borgeson steering box, change from a Federal to a Saginaw pump, US Car Tool complete stiffener kit, seam weld, QA1 K-frame and lower control arms, Hotchkis TVS, Dr Diff 13" front Brembo brake kit and 11.7" rear Cobra brakes, engine refresh (500-512 stroker?) with Milodon road race pan, 440 source Stealth heads, rewire car with American Auto Wire Auto Update kit.
1. Best above improvement: Going from the 14" Enkei wheels to 15" Weld Draglites. Then after 12 years on the same BFG Radial TA tires, stepping up to the 18's and new rubber
2. Least effective above improvement: Everything that I have done so far has been at least some improvement.
3. Next improvement: Engine refresh, I'm getting some blow by
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I get a lot of compliments for having stock suspension, so maybe a 5.
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: jcc]
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07/24/14 01:54 AM
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Entry/Update Date: 7/23/14
Model: Dodge
Year: Challenger
Weight: Wet w/driver 3600 lbs give or take
Application: this is a pleasure car, we DRIVE it. It see's drag duty a few times a year, I just want to handle better than stock
Engine Package: mild 360 for now, 340 stroker in the works
Estimate HP: 275 RWHP
Trans: 727 with 9.5 inch SMR converter
Speeds: 3
Gears:
RE Ratio: 3.23
RE Type: Sure Grip 8 3/4
Front Tire Size Brand Model: 235/60r15 BFG T/As
Front Rim width: 8
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/60r15
Rear Rim Width: 8
TB Dia: 1.06 FF
Coil Rate: 270 sounds right
Front Shocks: KYB
Front Sway bar Dia: stock
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: ESPO 6 leaf Shocks: KYB
Rear Sway bar Dia: NA for now
Front Brakes: 11.75
Caliper-Pistons: single piston
Rear Brakes: '80s cop car
Drum Size Dia Width: 10x2.5 w/ fins
MC: manual LW from Dr Diff
Subframe Connectors: Auto Rust Tech
Torque Boxes: Resto Rick boxes, currently only the fronts
Comments: FF stage II power box, C body tie rods, boxed LCAs, Moog offset bushings in the UCA, poly urethane bushings through out the rest.
1. Best above improvement: big T bars
3. Next improvement tires and wheels, have some 17 inch wheels, but not sure what tires to run. Also, adding a bigger front sway bar and a rear. Debating between FF and Hotchkis
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 5-6
Comments: I feel like the car may have some bump steer. I need to adjust the distribution on the brakes some, the rears want to lock up first. The steering box wants to return with more power from turning right than when turning left. I need to adjust that. Also, I feel that I may have some bump steer. No sure how to address that.
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: jcc]
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05/04/15 04:07 PM
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Entry/Update Date: 5/4/15
Model: 1973 Charger SE "P-code"
Year: 1973
Weight: ~3800 lbs
Application: Restomod, daily driver
Engine Package briefly: 400>>499 stroker, 10.4:1 compression, very mild cam (.480" lift), Eddy RPMs, headers, MP hi rise single plane intake, Holley 8150 850CFM, roller rockers
Estimate HP: RWHP 420ish@5200RPM, RWTQ 470ish@4200RPM
Trans: 727 Auto, 2400 stall TC
Speeds: 3
Gears: 3
RE Ratio: 3.55
RE Type: Auburn limited slip
Front Tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra 245/60-15
Front Rim width: 8"
Rear tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra P275/60R15
Rear Rim Width: 8"
Aftermarket Front End brand: n/a
TB Dia: 1.06" FF
Coil Rate:
Front Shocks: Bilstien
Front Sway bar Dia: 1-1/8" PST
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:
Shocks: Bilstiens
Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" Adco
Front Brakes: OEM disc
Rotor Dia Width:
Caliper-Pistons:
Cooling Ducts:
Rear Brakes: SSBC disc conversion
Drum Size Dia Width:
Rotor Dia:
Rotor width:
Caliper- Pistons :
Parking Brake: OEM with SSBC rear parking brake int w/ caliper
Dual Circuit Dia MC: MP aluminum 4-bolt master cylinder, GM 4wheel disc prop valve
Chassis:
Subframe Connectors: n/a
Torque Boxes: n/a
Roll bar, Roll Cage: n/a
Aftermarket stiffeners: poly bushings/body mounts all around, FF stage 3 steering box
Comments:
1. Best above improvement: steering box, torsion bars
2. Least effective above improvement
3. Next improvement
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7/10 used to be about a 3
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: jcc]
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05/07/15 12:00 AM
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Maybe a good time to [/i]update[i] my info:
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Model: 1970 Dodge Charger
Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver Do not know.
Application: Show, Autocross, Track, Race
Engine Package briefly: 440 based 493. 10.0 CR. Edelbrock heads, ported. 2" TTI headers. 850 4 barrel Lunati solid lifter cam
Estimate HP: FW or RWHP No dyno test on current combo.
Trans: 727 with 11" converter with 2600 stall (Approx)
RE Ratio: 66-67 8 3/4" with 3.55 gears, '489 case with clutch type SG.
Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275-40-18 Nitto 555
Front Rim width: 18x9"
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295-40-18 Nitto 555
Rear Rim Width: 18x10"
TB Dia: 1.15 from BAC
Coil Rate:
Front Shocks: Bilstein RCD
Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25 solid. Modified GM truck unit from a mid 70s 1 ton 2wd.
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP HD with 6 leafs each side
Shocks: Bilstein RCD
Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" frame hung, OEM from 1983 Chrysler Imperial
Front Brakes: 1976 Cordoba 11.75 Unicast rotors, 2.75 single piston calipers from 88 Diplomat.
Rear Brakes: Dr Diff 11" disc kit using Toyota rotors, Mustang Cobra calipers.
Parking Brake: Yes
Dual Circuit Dia MC: 15/16" with power assist.
Chassis:
Subframe Connectors: 3x3 box tubing welded into place
Torque Boxes: Custom made, front and rear
Roll bar, Roll Cage: None
Aftermarket stiffeners: Welded K member
Comments:
1. Best improvement: Front end rebuild! Stock suspension had 135,000 miles on it when I bought the car. Currently I have rubber LCA bushings, Moog rubber UCA bushings and urethane strut rod bushings.
2. Least effective improvement: Hard to determine.
3. Next improvement: Tires!
4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7
For years I dealt with an oversteer condition. I liked how flat and level the car stayed in the turns but the twitchy feel made it hard to feel confident if I wanted to press it hard into a turn. I was running a 7/8" axle hung Addco rear sway bar. I tried rubber end link bushings, tire pressure changes and it still wasn't right. I recently switched to a smaller rear bar; a 3/4" frame hung version that came stock on an 83 Imperial. The car felt better but still wasn't neutral. Last week I installed bigger torsion bars, out went the 1.0 and in went the 1.15s. I also changed the shocks at the same time from KYBs to Bilsteins. The ride improved, the oversteer went away and the car is much more fun to drive. The car has enough power to kick the tail out if I feel I need to. I no longer have to coast or brake through the turns to avoid drifting!
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Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
[Re: jcc]
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12/27/16 12:05 AM
12/27/16 12:05 AM
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Entry/Update Date: - December 26, 2016
Model: - 1968 Dodge Dart GT Weight: - Somewhere around 3200-3400 lbs, maybe. Application: Weekend Car/Autocrosser/Road Racer/etc.
ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLE Engine Package briefly: - 408ci Engine built by IMM Engines Estimate HP: - 523 hp and 522 ft-lbs of torque at the crank Trans: - T56 Magnum (driving it and doing the math, it may not be the close ratio) RE Ratio/Type: - 3.55:1 w/ Eaton TrueTrac
WHEELS Front Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +32 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer) Front Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport Rear Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +22 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer) Rear Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport
FRONT SUSPENSION Aftermarket Front End brand: - Hotchkis TVS Bushing material: - Polyurethane TB Dia: - 1.06" Firm Feel T-bars Front Shocks: - Fox Adjustable Front Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1-1/2"
UCA upgrades / type / brand - Hotchkis LCA upgrades / type / brand - Reinforced plate
REAR SUSPENSION Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Hotchkis Bushing material: - Polyurethane Shocks: - Fox Adjustable Rear Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1" Hollow
BRAKES Front Brakes: - Dr Diff Stage 4 Rotor Dia / Width: - 13" / 1.25" Caliper-Pistons: - 1.5' / 1.625" Cooling Ducts: Not yet, but soon Brake pad material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.
Rear Brakes: - Dr Diff 11.75" kit Parking Brake: - Stock Brake pad/shoe material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.
Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" 1980 Dodge Aspen Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other - 4
STEERING Power / Manual - Power Box or Rack / type - Borgeson PS Box Steering pump - KRC PS pump Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock Tie-rod diameter - stock
ALIGNMENT SPECS Caster - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate) Camber - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate) Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/16" IN Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 1-2" lower Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1" lower
CHASSIS / FRAME Chassis: - stock but heavily reinforced Subframe Connectors: - Hotchkis with extra bracing to torsion bar brace. Torque Boxes: - none Roll bar, Roll Cage: - Custom six-point cage with swing-out doors. Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: - Beefed up Torsion bar brace and trans brace.
COMMENTS: - It's a fun car
1. Best above improvement(s): - Chassis Stiffening 2. Least effective above improvement - None 3. Next improvement - Trying to fit 275/35/18 tires all the way around. Larger T-bars. 4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9 4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 1 Million
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