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Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! #1154508 01/11/12 01:15 AM 01/11/12 01:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 3 MO W Washburnin OP member
Washburnin OP member W Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 3 MO	I have 1935 dodge truck with factory suicide doors and want to put a Suicide front end under it. Im using as an axle a 1950 chevy straight axle. Has anyone done anything like this and maybe have some pictures and/or advice? Parts or plates needed, batwings? Ive never built a suicide front end so all info is helpful! Thank u! Washburnin

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Washburnin] #1154509 01/11/12 02:43 PM 01/11/12 02:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	here are a few pics of front ends that might help. Ron...

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Washburnin] #1154510 01/11/12 03:16 PM 01/11/12 03:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	With so much talk of suicide I think it's time for an intervention... R.

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: dogdays] #1154511 01/11/12 03:29 PM 01/11/12 03:29 PM
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36PLYM enthusiast 3 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 251 Lithonia, Ga	Why is it called suicide? 36 Plymouth Coupe 318 w/360 heads 518 trans 8 3/4 rear Ga. Tech BCE'78

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: 36PLYM] #1154512 01/11/12 04:44 PM 01/11/12 04:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	Quote: Why is it called suicide? I found this explanation A suicide front end is a straight or dropped tube or I-beam axle mounted in front of a transverse spring.The shackles are mounted to the wishbone or a bracket on hairpins and a single perch on the front of the frame.The term was coined in the thirties when guys used this method to get their cars really low.With no crossmember over the spring and no frame above the axle if any link in the system would fail the frame would drop straight to the ground with deadly results.Running this setup was like playing Russian roulette with your car.Hence the term suicide...

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Mopar Ron] #1154513 01/11/12 05:29 PM 01/11/12 05:29 PM
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bboogieart master B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced	Ron those are some great pic's. Any or all of em yours? I like the pin striped one a lot. That first one looks really scarry. Am I missing something or are there no springs and it is riding on just shocks? I dig the ply wood front runners for mock up. good idea. I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: bboogieart] #1154514 01/11/12 06:49 PM 01/11/12 06:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,974 Nort Cackalacky rrbrucea Member known as the "Artist"
rrbrucea Member known as the "Artist" Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,974 Nort Cackalacky	First one has leaf springs beneath the frame and axle...

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: bboogieart] #1154515 01/11/12 08:25 PM 01/11/12 08:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	Quote: Ron those are some great pic's. Any or all of em yours? I like the pin striped one a lot. That first one looks really scarry. Am I missing something or are there no springs and it is riding on just shocks? I dig the ply wood front runners for mock up. good idea. no none of those are mine, I just saved the pics for Ideas for future projects

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Washburnin] #1154516 01/12/12 12:22 AM 01/12/12 12:22 AM
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Washburnin OP member W Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 3 MO	Those pics are great and i got in touch with a guy by the last name Lahr's outa KY. Since i had a chevy front end no batwings would really work and this guy, Mr. Lahr's makes a whole bolt on suicide kit and pins all for a little over 300.00 if anyone has a chevy front end and wants to make it a suicide Get with me and ill gladly get the number. Also ill post pictures of it just for general references of what his kit looks like after assembly. Thanks for the pics posted again its very much appreciated!

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Washburnin] #1154517 01/12/12 10:24 AM 01/12/12 10:24 AM
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Bull1tt top fuel B Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,606 Pgh, PA	Yep, Ron Lahr. I bought the same setup a while back. Designed for parallel leaf spring axles to mount a transverse spring onto. Any make axle can be used.

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Bull1tt] #1154518 01/12/12 04:14 PM 01/12/12 04:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 3 MO W Washburnin OP member
Washburnin OP member W Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 3 MO	Any pictures of it? Id love to see what the final product can and should look like for reference. When i spoke to mr. Lahr's on the phone he was totally the most helpful guy one could ask for and just over the phone was knowledgable enough to know and solve my problems. Thanks everyone for all the help!

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: rrbrucea] #1154519 01/12/12 08:51 PM 01/12/12 08:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced B bboogieart master
bboogieart master B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced	Quote: First one has leaf springs beneath the frame and axle... I see em now, kinda hidden. Those must be a half spring each side. Still looks scarry, probably the idea, huh? I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: Mopar Ron] #1154520 01/12/12 08:54 PM 01/12/12 08:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced B bboogieart master
bboogieart master B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced	Quote: no, none of those are mine, I just saved the pics for Ideas for future projects right, makes sence. I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.

Re: Suicide front end help, much apprrciated! [Re: bboogieart] #1154521 01/12/12 10:13 PM 01/12/12 10:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,342 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,342 north of coder	Quote: Quote: First one has leaf springs beneath the frame and axle... I see em now, kinda hidden. Those must be a half spring each side. Still looks scarry, probably the idea, huh? that is called a "quarter elliptic" suspension. can be a good choice in some instances.

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