Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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What kind of a vehicle are you putting this in?
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Just curious, are all G.M. trannies electric. If so how could I make it usable in an older truck? Reason I ask is, there is one laying around here and I would like to use it. Thanks.
Early 700's are not electronic...guys swap them into early GM's pretty often. (my buddy has a '72 C10 with a 700 in it actually..and I had a a similar thing around before as well)
I didn't realized he was asking about a 700R since this thread is aksing about the 4L60E trans
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Seriously look at the 200... http://www.bigblockdart.com/forum/showthread.php?21132-Going-with-200R4-transmission-in-my-DartI have a 4L60E in my '95 GMC 1/2 ton. It is fine, but 1st to 2nd is just a large drop in RPM. If the torque is there to power through it, might not matter much. If I remember correctly the 60 is just an updated 700 (that might be oversimplifying a bit). They can be built too, but consider an 4L80 while you are at it if you are going down the 60 route.
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Just curious, are all G.M. trannies electric. If so how could I make it usable in an older truck? Reason I ask is, there is one laying around here and I would like to use it. Thanks.
Early 700's are not electronic...guys swap them into early GM's pretty often. (my buddy has a '72 C10 with a 700 in it actually..and I had a a similar thing around before as well)
I didn't realized he was asking about a 700R since this thread is aksing about the 4L60E trans
I just mentioned it John, since someone had asked about a non-electronic version was all..
As you were now..
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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02/02/12 12:51 AM
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700R4, 4l60, 4l65E, or 4l70E's where meant to handle ~300 lb/ft of torque stock. They need some serious mods to handle a stroked BB in a heavy car. Heck, they tune the 4.8's and 5.3's down with the ECU just to get them to last in the trucks.
Horsepucky. I have countless friends running high 10's with LS powered F-bodies. Ported stock heads, big nasty cam, 4000+ converter, 125 hit of gas and bone stock transmissions with a good tune. My folks have had a tune in their 03 Suburban for the past 60,000 miles that cut torque management in 1/2, firmed shifts up and really dialed the a/f and timing in on the 5.3 in it and have had nary a peep out of the trans. Many of those miles are pulling a 23' Cobalt. 4L60's are a good transmission. Keep them cool and they'll last a good long time. My wife's TBSS (LS2) had over 60,000 miles on it post-tune and no issues with it either and it ran very very well for a 4500lb SUV with 400+hp.
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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700R4, 4l60, 4l65E, or 4l70E's where meant to handle ~300 lb/ft of torque stock. They need some serious mods to handle a stroked BB in a heavy car. Heck, they tune the 4.8's and 5.3's down with the ECU just to get them to last in the trucks.
Horsepucky. I have countless friends running high 10's with LS powered F-bodies. Ported stock heads, big nasty cam, 4000+ converter, 125 hit of gas and bone stock transmissions with a good tune. My folks have had a tune in their 03 Suburban for the past 60,000 miles that cut torque management in 1/2, firmed shifts up and really dialed the a/f and timing in on the 5.3 in it and have had nary a peep out of the trans. Many of those miles are pulling a 23' Cobalt. 4L60's are a good transmission. Keep them cool and they'll last a good long time. My wife's TBSS (LS2) had over 60,000 miles on it post-tune and no issues with it either and it ran very very well for a 4500lb SUV with 400+hp.
...Ok Ok, you're right. Put in and let her rip. All those trans guys fixin' them with fragged sun shell/clusters and broke input shafts are just crazy. Just pointing some things to look out for. I have a 4l65E in my 4600lb shortbed 5.3 with 0% TM/abuse with 3200 stall and it has held up driving everyday and track time. Is it strong or am I just careful? I can tell you it would not last behind 600lb/ft of torque, sticky tires, and 4000lbs. of car flogging it for very long.
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Seriously look at the 200...
http://www.bigblockdart.com/forum/showthread.php?21132-Going-with-200R4-transmission-in-my-Dart
I have a 4L60E in my '95 GMC 1/2 ton. It is fine, but 1st to 2nd is just a large drop in RPM. If the torque is there to power through it, might not matter much. If I remember correctly the 60 is just an updated 700 (that might be oversimplifying a bit). They can be built too, but consider an 4L80 while you are at it if you are going down the 60 route.
4L80 is a HUGE tranny compared to the 60 and would require tbar/floor mods....if you're doing that, I'd go with a 518/46RH
1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!*** 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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700R4, 4l60, 4l65E, or 4l70E's where meant to handle ~300 lb/ft of torque stock. They need some serious mods to handle a stroked BB in a heavy car. Heck, they tune the 4.8's and 5.3's down with the ECU just to get them to last in the trucks.
Horsepucky. I have countless friends running high 10's with LS powered F-bodies. Ported stock heads, big nasty cam, 4000+ converter, 125 hit of gas and bone stock transmissions with a good tune. My folks have had a tune in their 03 Suburban for the past 60,000 miles that cut torque management in 1/2, firmed shifts up and really dialed the a/f and timing in on the 5.3 in it and have had nary a peep out of the trans. Many of those miles are pulling a 23' Cobalt. 4L60's are a good transmission. Keep them cool and they'll last a good long time. My wife's TBSS (LS2) had over 60,000 miles on it post-tune and no issues with it either and it ran very very well for a 4500lb SUV with 400+hp.
...Ok Ok, you're right. Put in and let her rip. All those trans guys fixin' them with fragged sun shell/clusters and broke input shafts are just crazy. Just pointing some things to look out for. I have a 4l65E in my 4600lb shortbed 5.3 with 0% TM/abuse with 3200 stall and it has held up driving everyday and track time. Is it strong or am I just careful? I can tell you it would not last behind 600lb/ft of torque, sticky tires, and 4000lbs. of car flogging it for very long.
Went back and read your post this morning. What you said makes sense...I took it as you saying they wouldn't hold up to a stock 5.3 in a truck which clearly they will. The TM is there to idiot-proof them. Less , more read.
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Seriously look at the 200...
http://www.bigblockdart.com/forum/showthread.php?21132-Going-with-200R4-transmission-in-my-Dart
I have a 4L60E in my '95 GMC 1/2 ton. It is fine, but 1st to 2nd is just a large drop in RPM. If the torque is there to power through it, might not matter much. If I remember correctly the 60 is just an updated 700 (that might be oversimplifying a bit). They can be built too, but consider an 4L80 while you are at it if you are going down the 60 route.
4L80 is a HUGE tranny compared to the 60 and would require tbar/floor mods....if you're doing that, I'd go with a 518/46RH
yes, correct. All depends on what this is going into.
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Currently,I have a gearvendors in my 74 Roadrunner. I built my own tranny internal under supervision, reverse manual valve body..., 2600 stall, and installed the tailshaft with GV unit on afterwards. I vastly recommend it, as planetary gears, it takes a serious beating. The overdrive, .78, is close to most cars/trucks overdrive in general... Unless you MUST sit at 100mph constantly, with my 410s and a 27.5" tire I can sit comfortably at 75mph. The PROS - Its overdrive is absolutely fine for an automatic. Yes the 5 speeds have better setups like .64 etc...but depends what you are looking for. The install was extremely straight forward, has not ONCE given me a problem. I find the .78 to be sufficient for my cruising with the 4:10s, maybe 3:91s may have been better to bring my rpms down a little or cruise at 80 instead, however givig up 4:10s was not an option... The CONS - There WAS "smashing" that had to be done... whether or not it was because the 73/74 bbodies have the isolated members changing position, or whether they just do not fit exactly, i do not know. However had to aleviate the tranny tunnel about 1/2 to make enough clearance for it. Since, its not a survivor or rare vehcile, not that big of a deal. I also notice, as I have my tranny setup to slam into gear and chirp second at any speed, a slight lose of transfer since it goes through the tranny - GV -rearend-tires...Not that bad though...
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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700R4, 4l60, 4l65E, or 4l70E's where meant to handle ~300 lb/ft of torque stock. They need some serious mods to handle a stroked BB in a heavy car. Heck, they tune the 4.8's and 5.3's down with the ECU just to get them to last in the trucks.
Horsepucky. I have countless friends running high 10's with LS powered F-bodies. Ported stock heads, big nasty cam, 4000+ converter, 125 hit of gas and bone stock transmissions with a good tune. My folks have had a tune in their 03 Suburban for the past 60,000 miles that cut torque management in 1/2, firmed shifts up and really dialed the a/f and timing in on the 5.3 in it and have had nary a peep out of the trans. Many of those miles are pulling a 23' Cobalt. 4L60's are a good transmission. Keep them cool and they'll last a good long time. My wife's TBSS (LS2) had over 60,000 miles on it post-tune and no issues with it either and it ran very very well for a 4500lb SUV with 400+hp.
...Ok Ok, you're right. Put in and let her rip. All those trans guys fixin' them with fragged sun shell/clusters and broke input shafts are just crazy. Just pointing some things to look out for. I have a 4l65E in my 4600lb shortbed 5.3 with 0% TM/abuse with 3200 stall and it has held up driving everyday and track time. Is it strong or am I just careful? I can tell you it would not last behind 600lb/ft of torque, sticky tires, and 4000lbs. of car flogging it for very long.
Are they fixing stock trans failures or transmissions that have been "built" to handle the power and still failed?
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Re: 727 with GV o/d or Kieselr A41 (4 speed auto)
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Currently,I have a gearvendors in my 74 Roadrunner. I built my own tranny internal under supervision, reverse manual valve body..., 2600 stall, and installed the tailshaft with GV unit on afterwards. I vastly recommend it, as planetary gears, it takes a serious beating. The overdrive, .78, is close to most cars/trucks overdrive in general... Unless you MUST sit at 100mph constantly, with my 410s and a 27.5" tire I can sit comfortably at 75mph. The PROS - Its overdrive is absolutely fine for an automatic. Yes the 5 speeds have better setups like .64 etc...but depends what you are looking for. The install was extremely straight forward, has not ONCE given me a problem. I find the .78 to be sufficient for my cruising with the 4:10s, maybe 3:91s may have been better to bring my rpms down a little or cruise at 80 instead, however givig up 4:10s was not an option... The CONS - There WAS "smashing" that had to be done... whether or not it was because the 73/74 bbodies have the isolated members changing position, or whether they just do not fit exactly, i do not know. However had to aleviate the tranny tunnel about 1/2 to make enough clearance for it. Since, its not a survivor or rare vehcile, not that big of a deal. I also notice, as I have my tranny setup to slam into gear and chirp second at any speed, a slight lose of transfer since it goes through the tranny - GV -rearend-tires...Not that bad though...
If I don't have a tranny currently and the GV setup with new trans is more money would you still think it is the best route?
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