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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: fc7_plumcrazy] #1137971
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times, and then put on a barge to a foreign 'collector' who couldn't tell you what the word 'Plymouth' means, but "Just had to have it!"...






Thank you for bashing foreigners, Mr.Canada.
Be sure that europeans who buy and import any six-pack/hemicar know exactly what they are doing. A die hard enthusiast group and for sure not flippers as there is no way to make money with those cars overhere.

Carsten




I apologize. I do realize there are collectors who actually love cars in the world, what I meant was some of the ultra-rich businessman and princes who truly don't understand cars, but buy them when gold or stocks are too volatile, that's all.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: nakita7] #1137972
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DO NOT SELL THE 72!!!

Sell the Superbird and restore the RoadRunner. Someone posted that you will NEVER be able to buy another one if you regret it (and you will) BUT you will be able to buy another Superbird if you get the itch.

I'm not a numbers guy per se (I would never do a numbers car, even if I could afford it, not because I don't like them, but because I would wreck it by driving it) but I definitely see the value in it and appreciate the guys that do it.

This car is in a really weird category. Say you asked a casual Mopar guy what he would rather have, and yeah, he would probably say a 70 Hemi Cuda over the 72 6pac 1 of 1 RoadRunner. BUT ask the hardcore car collector or hardcore Mopar guy who can appreciate what the car is and most would tell you they would take the 72 in a heartbeat. If I was in the market for a high end Mopar this car would be at the top of my list (72 RR are my favorite B-Body)

If you are bent on selling (which I don't think you are) it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: WO23Coronet] #1137973
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Or Maybe Tim Wellborn?

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: WO23Coronet] #1137974
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If you are bent on selling (which I don't think you are) it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.




I don't think this is his "type" of weird rare stuff. He's more of Monteverdi, Ghia, Facel Vega, Hemi Cunningham, kind of wierd. I know he'd love to get his hands on that Hemi Monteverdi Hai. I could see him with something along the lines of a Mod Top Hemi Cuda, or maybe Hemi Dart (probably too played for him), F/I 1958 392 hemi car...

Sure Jay is a die hard car guy and appreciate everything. But not a super die hard "Mopar or no car" guy.

This car is more of a numbers guy kind of wierd/rare.

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Or Maybe Tim Wellborn?




IMHO, much more likely.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 69superbee383] #1137975
12/20/11 03:58 AM
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Man I sure am glad I am not into all this numbers crap. Pretty much any old Mopar can have a hemi or 6 bbl stuffed into it and you can then go out and beat the snot out of it.

And isnt that the whole point of these things?




You and me both. I would never pay more for car A than car B if the only difference between the two is some numbers stamped in a piece of tin by a worker at a factory 40 years ago. I'll leave those for the investors and the number nazis. It is an interesting car and an interesting story, but I'll stick with my clones.

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- As far as '71's vs. '72's go, sure; GENERALLY '71's are worth more but that is mostly because of the Hemi and 440-6 availability, since this car HAS the 440-6 and it is basically the SAME car as a '71 only MUCH rarer, I'd say it is worth a substantial premium over a '71 V code RR.




I thought the 71's were basically worth more because the 71's had the better looking rear bumper and side marker lights. Those 71 specific parts sure cost a hell of a lot more than their 72 brethren!

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 70440+6bbl] #1137976
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Most people will call me crazy , but I am in the same boat with the '72 V codes as I am with the 70 Sport Fury GT V code .
ULTRA ULTRA RARE , Very oddball, Highly misundersood and underestimated by the general population.
I'd say a rolling body, no engine, $ 40,000.
Cars like these are " showstoppers" aka museum trophy's and center pieces to car collections for the guy who wants to have something nobody else has got .
It's like having your own personal bigfoot in your garage , while everybody else just has the run of the mill chimpanzees .....

Greg




THIS pretty much SUMS IT UP..NUFF SAID..




Yup, your BOTH crazy for sure. Give me a "run of the mill" chimp '70 hemicuda anyday over either one of those cars. The '72 V-code car would be a neat one to own for sure, but to me, it is still a '72 which marked the end of the excitement and the beginning of those awful generic side markers


End of excitement. How is a Dana,airgrabber 18spline 4-speed the end of excitement? airgrabber is superior to the shaker . sorry.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: Ron69rr] #1137977
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I love the 72 Road Runner the most out of the 71 thru 74 models. The rear and front bumper and grille area are by far the neatest styling in my opinion. I agree John Herlitz who designed this fuselage made the bumper in the rear for 72 look like a reversal of the front bumper. Something he was trying to create for 71. And finally nailed it for 72. Very tough looking car.
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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: autoxcuda] #1137978
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That 72 RR/GTX 4spd 440 4bbl sunroof car that sold for $121K is throwing a curve at me. The resto is OK, but not top level by todays standards. It's seems like a non typical selling price (IF it indeed sold for that much). That car without sunroof is no more that $40-45K.




That auction was weird/odd, someone was playing games - a former owner and/or restorer spent a lot of time near the car - & seemed to be playing the car down. Claiming rust & non-numbers, I don't know if either of those issues are factual. If the sale was completed - somebody made someone pay.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: autoxcuda] #1137979
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... it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.




I bet that Jay Leno gets offers to buy at least one hundred different cars every year.




Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: Aero426] #1137980
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... it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.




I bet that Jay Leno gets offers to buy at least one hundred different cars every year.




I'd say its more like thousands. Can you imagine the people that must send letters/emails wanting him to buy their beloved '78 Thunderbird or some other crap..

MB

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: HPMike] #1137981
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... it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.




I bet that Jay Leno gets offers to buy at least one hundred different cars every year.




I'd say its more like thousands. Can you imagine the people that must send letters/emails wanting him to buy their beloved '70 Sport Fury or some other crap..

MB




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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: HPMike] #1137982
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This car could very well be the very last multicarbed Mopar to roll off the assembly line! Unless another one comes out of the woodwork. Thats really cool,and it should command a preimum over most other V code cars. How much of a preimum? That will only be determined by how much a buyer is willing to pay. The only way to find that out is to get it advertised. The E bay route with a high reserve should give you a feeling of what the current market will bring,Larry. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it.


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: keith airgrabber] #1137983
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Most people will call me crazy , but I am in the same boat with the '72 V codes as I am with the 70 Sport Fury GT V code .
ULTRA ULTRA RARE , Very oddball, Highly misundersood and underestimated by the general population.
I'd say a rolling body, no engine, $ 40,000.
Cars like these are " showstoppers" aka museum trophy's and center pieces to car collections for the guy who wants to have something nobody else has got .
It's like having your own personal bigfoot in your garage , while everybody else just has the run of the mill chimpanzees .....

Greg




THIS pretty much SUMS IT UP..NUFF SAID..




Yup, your BOTH crazy for sure. Give me a "run of the mill" chimp '70 hemicuda anyday over either one of those cars. The '72 V-code car would be a neat one to own for sure, but to me, it is still a '72 which marked the end of the excitement and the beginning of those awful generic side markers


End of excitement. How is a Dana,airgrabber 18spline 4-speed the end of excitement? airgrabber is superior to the shaker .


sorry.




Let's see, lower compression, most of the cool '71 options gone, no super track pak, ugly side markers, etc... Sorry, the Mopar masses have spoken in spades since these cars were new and the fuselage B-bodies just aren't the bees knees;-). Btw- having owned plenty of both style fresh air hoods, I love them both! But give me the A12 LOH over either one anyday of the week


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 70440+6bbl] #1137984
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Let's see, lower compression, most of the cool '71 options gone, no super track pak, ugly side markers, etc... Sorry, the Mopar masses have spoken in spades since these cars were new and the fuselage B-bodies just aren't the bees knees;-). Btw- having owned plenty of both style fresh air hoods, I love them both! But give me the A12 LOH over either one anyday of the week




FYI although it doesn't matter much. 72 6 pack Compression was the same as 71. They didn't get reduced it like everything else. Unfortunately that's what caused what we have today. The engine couldn't pass new emission laws and was pulled from the lineup.

Larry

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: JohnRR] #1137985
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... it might be worth contacting a guy like Jay Leno to see if he would be interested, he's into the rare stuff, you never know.




I bet that Jay Leno gets offers to buy at least one hundred different cars every year.




I'd say its more like thousands. Can you imagine the people that must send letters/emails wanting him to buy their beloved '70 Sport Fury or some other crap..

MB




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That's friggin classic!!!!

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 6bblgt] #1137986
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That 72 RR/GTX 4spd 440 4bbl sunroof car that sold for $121K is throwing a curve at me. The resto is OK, but not top level by todays standards. It's seems like a non typical selling price (IF it indeed sold for that much). That car without sunroof is no more that $40-45K.




That auction was weird/odd, someone was playing games - a former owner and/or restorer spent a lot of time near the car - & seemed to be playing the car down. Claiming rust & non-numbers, I don't know if either of those issues are factual. If the sale was completed - somebody made someone pay.




Doesn't "feel" like a good benchmark price.

Reminds me of one of the Gurney race AAR's that sold at Barret Jackson years ago. An owner of sister car heckled it in some manner... Now Craig Jackson owns the car.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: Moparlar] #1137987
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Let's see, lower compression, most of the cool '71 options gone, no super track pak, ugly side markers, etc... Sorry, the Mopar masses have spoken in spades since these cars were new and the fuselage B-bodies just aren't the bees knees;-). Btw- having owned plenty of both style fresh air hoods, I love them both! But give me the A12 LOH over either one anyday of the week




FYI although it doesn't matter much. 72 6 pack Compression was the same as 71. They didn't get reduced it like everything else. Unfortunately that's what caused what we have today. The engine couldn't pass new emission laws and was pulled from the lineup.

Larry




As a bit of an aside, Mopar deserves some cudo's for extending the life of the musclecar. Now, much of this was because Chrysler was the smallest of the Big Three, but after GM slashed it's compression ratios across the board for 1971, Mopars soldiered on maintaining all the hi perf engines in the lineup. For 1972, the V code cars (extremely rare as they are) stand out as the lone survivors of the coming automotive dark ages. Sure Pontiac 455 HO's and the soon-to-be released 455SD cars were still plenty strong, but they were still low compression engines.
From a styling perspective look how much better Mopar faired compared the the colonade GM cars (sorry LT. Dan) and 5ph bumpers. E bodies still looked more or less like themselves until there death in 1974......compared to the like of 1974 Mustang II's.

Any way you slice it, Larry's '72 V code RR has all the styling and power of the earlier models....sort of the "last man standing".


Dave


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: DPelletier] #1137988
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As a bit of an aside, Mopar deserves some cudo's for extending the life of the musclecar. Now, much of this was because Chrysler was the smallest of the Big Three, but after GM slashed it's compression ratios across the board for 1971, Mopars soldiered on maintaining all the hi perf engines in the lineup. For 1972, the V code cars (extremely rare as they are) stand out as the lone survivors of the coming automotive dark ages. Sure Pontiac 455 HO's and the soon-to-be released 455SD cars were still plenty strong, but they were still low compression engines.
From a styling perspective look how much better Mopar faired compared the the colonade GM cars (sorry LT. Dan) and 5ph bumpers. E bodies still looked more or less like themselves until there death in 1974......compared to the like of 1974 Mustang II's.

Any way you slice it, Larry's '72 V code RR has all the styling and power of the earlier models....sort of the "last man standing".


Dave




Agreed.

If you don't like the body style, that's fine. Not everyone likes the 68-70 B-body or 70-74 E-body style either.

This particular car marks the end for V-codes. That fact on its own is significant. If this was the last 71 RR V-code, and none were made in 72, I'm willing to bet a few opinions would change and tilt toward it being worth more.

It deserves to be brought back. Whether or not someone is willing to spend the amount of money it will take (between initial purchase and restoration costs, whether that be nice driver or OE correct) is the real question. The days of recovering the majority spent on a project and subsequent restoration are over.

Mike.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: moparmike1] #1137989
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It would seem to me the best person to restore the car is Larry, from a financial and emotional/sentimental attachment(love for the car) perspective.
However, it's up to Larry if he WANTS to restore it. It's been 17 years, so maybe he just doesn't want to deal with a restoration and wants the car sold to someone who loves the car as he does- which is fine.
What ever his motive, if he wants to sell, and is not comfortable with any offers he's received so far, then I agree with getting it out there in the public eye and see what interest/offers come in. Couldn't hurt, right?

Not sure how long you have had the Superbird Larry but if you have an attachment to that car as well but need to sell it to fund the resto of the 72, sell it someone who could sell it back to you once the 72 is done , and in a few years want the Superbird back.

Good luck whatever you decide.

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And for Dan,keep your finger off the caps key,we all know you are trying to make a point,and still nobody wants your car,not even you !!




i have them..YOU DON'T...and you know as well as anyone if any of my 3 were done they would be the CROWD FAVORITE at any show...




At the HiPo demolition derby spectacular maybe. As for having them. I dont have hemorrhoids either. Does not mean I want any.


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