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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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12/14/11 03:28 AM
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I would go the TQ route .....with a 904 trans.
FI still is a PITA, expensive and does not work right all the time.
Not if he would use the factory ECM and a Magnum engine.That setup is bullet-proof as far as dependability is concerned. He could even use the A-518 O/D transmission for even better economy and drive-ability.
That's what I'd do for a driver. Not the max hp setup, not the hardest/most expensive setup and pretty hard to kill. 
I agree. Then I'd hunt for used bolt on hipo parts from the Dakota guys. Cam, R/T heads, E-brock heads, etc.
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: dustergirl340]
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12/14/11 12:28 PM
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I am all good with my TQ's. I have had one on my 74 Duster360 since I got the car way back when. Have rebuilt it a couple of times (over 100k miles since restoring the car in 84 !!)and it runs great ! I also changed the Lean Burn on my 77 New Yorker 440 to standard electronic ignition, and about a 75 non-lean burn TQ. That car RAN SOOOOO good ! You set the choke with one pump, turn the key, and GO. It had NO hesitation when cold, and after about 2minutes was off the choke and running great ! . . . I always figure if you follow the factory steps for rebuilding a TQ, then it works great ! Course the above cars are all stock, so that makes it easy.
I already have the rebuilt 360, so, I am going with that - I know a 90's magnum 360 with the factory TBI would be cool, but have this engine now, so am going with it.
The car is not going to be a 4season machine. However, I do love to drive long distances to carshows, and the early/late year shows run into cold weather leaving from up north here. I am ok with carb, or EFI - specially the new style that do all the hard work for you ! Specially something like the Professional Products unit that has it all in the "carb" style body, and not needing a return line.
Guess it will all depend on whether or not I have been a good employee and see some bonus $$$ this year ! If so, I think I will pull the pin on the EFI. If not, then rebuild one of the many TQ's I have.
Thanks for the input . . . always a great discussion.
Cheers
Mark
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: a12rag]
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12/14/11 03:06 PM
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if it's not a year round, get you to work every day driver, then I'd just rebuild a T-quad and put it on....
if I were going for an aftermarket EFI, I'd probably look at the FAST EZ-EFI. only thing about it and the PP copy of it are that they are fuel only, and a lot of the drivability improvements OEM EFI systems have are due to the computer being able to manipulate the timing curve in ways you just can't do mechanically.
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: Rug_Trucker]
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12/14/11 03:18 PM
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The "Thermosquad!" Doc Glass is the general in charge!!
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: a12rag]
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12/15/11 06:38 AM
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If the driving will mostly be near the same altitude, a carb with electric choke will work good and is inexpensive. If you plan to drive cross country at various altitudes, the FI will self adjust for the different altitudes.
Return line should not be an issue, it helps keep the fuel pump and lines cool.
The Professional Products ProJection III is pretty affordable TBI unit (about $1,500), and MSD is going to release their Atomic EFI in a months or two for around $2,000.
The Edelbrock Pro-Flow XT is a neat TPI type system, but costs around $4,000 (although it comes with a new manifold, and distrubitor.)
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: a12rag]
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12/15/11 08:12 AM
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I am in process of building a 1970 B Body that I will drive - all over the place I hope ! . . . 360 with about 9.5:1 pistons, 1970 340 type cam, 727 auto and 3.23:1 rear end gears. Question I ask myself, is : should I go the route of fuel injection ?? You can get great products now, that you don't even need a return line ! They learn and then you just get in and turn the key. Granted it is about a $2k touch !!! That could pay for a lot of fuel with a carburator !
However, putting 10-15k miles on the car in a year, the ease of operation with the fuel injection would be appreciated - idle, start when cold, cold drivablity, etc. . . .
What would you guys do ?? I am good with a TQ for the 360, but wonder about upgrading to the EFI . . . .
Thanks
Mark
I put over 2000miles on mine this summer. EFI makes it daily driver reliable..
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: 451Mopar]
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12/15/11 10:47 AM
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If the driving will mostly be near the same altitude, a carb with electric choke will work good and is inexpensive.
Electric choke ? ...I say that a std OEM choke-well piece is fine .. used with an alum intake.
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: dOoC]
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12/15/11 02:21 PM
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If the driving will mostly be near the same altitude, a carb with electric choke will work good and is inexpensive.
Electric choke ? ...I say that a std OEM choke-well piece is fine .. used with an alum intake.
Many reasons not to use standard choke.
#1 - it does not fit all intake/carb combinations, and negates the use of a spacer (unless you modify the choke rod.)
#2 - OEM choke will respond slow (if at all) unless using mainfolds with heat valve, along with heads and manifold with heat crossover. For performance the heat crossover is usually blocked, headers used, and I think the air-gap type intakes don't even have a crossover?
Overall, I'd go FI if it is in the budget.
Also, sorry about posting about the Edelbrock XT, that is a big block system.
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: BDW]
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12/15/11 07:59 PM
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Would FI eliminate the "steaky" fuel smell? I can't get my daughter or wife to go for a ride in the old clunker because they complain their clothes smell like gas afterwards.
I'm a cheap SOB, but it might be worth the extra $$$ if I could eliminate the smell of gas for 2-3hrs in the garage after getting home.
MUST BEEZ Berri Crab equipped !! ...  
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Re: Building a driver - use carburator or fuel injection ??
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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12/15/11 09:37 PM
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Or the "I took the car up to Tahoe this weekend & it didn't run very well... " No [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? We live at sea level & you took a carbed vehicle up to 7000 ft & it didn't run the same.. What a revelation...
So Yeah if you understand a carbs limits & your OK with that than no problem & I realize the OP would, but my point being EFI when it's right does take care of allot of things a carb can't deal with....
As you know I have been to Tahoe and even higher altitudes. My car feels like it's missing 100 HP in Tahoe from when I'm at home at 800 ft. Even though I jet it way down and even give it more timing. It's a PITA changing jets and needlies every time we go to Tahoe or Reno to visit family.
And like what was said about exhaust smell, it's pretty bad in a challenger with stock style exhaust through the valance and the wind blowing the wrong way at a light or something. That's why I run AC almost all the time so the wife don't complain about the exhaust smell because the windows are up. FI would be great for that.
I used to run straight 110 leaded race gas and everyone noticed the smell and it was not too bad smelling. Then I started really driving my cars and couldn't afford race gas. Premium gas smells pretty bad by it's self. So last summer I dumped some grape scent into my gas tank and it smelled like grape for while. lol
I have return fuel lines on both my challengers and they don't smell like raw gas when I park them inside a garage after driving them. Now I do run stock style air cleaners that keep down the sound, smell and evaporation rate of the fuel bowl I believe. I vent both gas tanks back to the valve covers.
Come spring my exhaust will smell like cherry and vannila. 
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