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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: leadkane]
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11/02/11 04:01 PM
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Well seeing as how the A833 was used behind both the Hemi and 440-6 (which was rated at 490ft lbs stock) and is generally thought of as a rather stout pce, I'd have to say the answer to your question is Yes.   Dave
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: leadkane]
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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11/02/11 05:13 PM
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Will an A833 tranny deal with 500+ ft lbs of torque?
It depends on how much slippage, tires or clutch, is in the drivetrain and of course how you drive it
I have a 500 stroker in front of my A833 and tear the tires up.
No problems with the trans as what was said the slip is happening somewhere.
If you start to hook, you are going to break something, I would guess rear before trans if you are sporting an 8-3/4.
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: DPelletier]
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11/02/11 10:08 PM
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Well seeing as how the A833 was used behind both the Hemi and 440-6 (which was rated at 490ft lbs stock) and is generally thought of as a rather stout pce, I'd have to say the answer to your question is Yes.
Dave
 Makes GOOD sense!! And it was ALSO behind BOTH the MaxWedges and Race HEMI engines. 
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: jim sciortino]
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11/03/11 12:02 AM
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I never seen an 833 with 904 output splines a-body or not.
As for 500 lbs of tq... should be a walk in the park, even the a-body version, more than that and you should run the hemi/6 pack box. Lots of guys running morethan 500 lbs through them and I don't hear of any one busting them, even 40 year old stock units still can take a beating.
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
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11/03/11 12:23 AM
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I never seen an 833 with 904 output splines a-body or not.
I've only had my hands on one of them, 1967 Baracuda Formula S 273 Hi Po  I had a 1968 318 Baracuda 4 speed that had the 3.09 first gear with the regular standard 833 727 spilne output shaft in it I have taken the early(Pre 1966) A body 3.09 gear sets and put them into the later (1968 and later) A body NP 833 cases , works good, last a long time  Anybody on here have any first hand expereinces with a 1966 A body trans, if so what output spline was in it, 904 or 727 size?
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
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11/03/11 08:57 AM
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My answer is that it will probally work fine depending on what input and output spline and year the trans is ? If it is a A body 3.09 first gear set with the 904 output spline proablly not work for long in a good hooking car,same thing on the oerrive versions of the NP 833 If it is a 18 spline input shaft tranny with the standard first gear ratio..
What Cabburge is referring to is that, if the centerline between the main and counter shafts is kept constant, torque capacity goes down when gear ratio goes up. A 3.09 trans will be weaker than a 2.66 unit (all else being equal). This is because one gear must become smaller (and the other bigger) to get the 3.09, and that makes the smaller gear a weaker link.
If other components are the weak link, then it may not really matter, of course.
This is why a trans behind a 4cyl has a lower input torque rating than one for a V6 or V8 - the 4cyl needs a deeper gearset, so capacity goes down. The input torque ratings on the T5 are a perfect example.
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
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11/03/11 09:13 AM
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I never seen an 833 with 904 output splines a-body or not.
I've only had my hands on one of them, 1967 Baracuda Formula S 273 Hi Po I had a 1968 318 Baracuda 4 speed that had the 3.09 first gear with the regular standard 833 727 spilne output shaft in it I have taken the early(Pre 1966) A body 3.09 gear sets and put them into the later (1968 and later) A body NP 833 cases , works good, last a long time Anybody on here have any first hand expereinces with a 1966 A body trans, if so what output spline was in it, 904 or 727 size?
The flange-style output was dropped for the 1966 models, and the slip-yoke tailshaft was introduced. The long tailshaft versions utilized the larger 30-spline output shaft (same as the 727 Torqueflite) and the short tailshaft version the 26-spline output shaft (same as the 904 Torqueflite). The production of the 1967 383 big block-powered Darts and Barracudas mandated the addition of the 30-spline output shaft in the A-body transmission, which was expanded to include all A-body transmissions in 1968.
Beginning with the '68 models, a small (3" X 7/8") raised machined pad was added to the main case, just above the casting numbers on the passenger's side. The car's serial number, along with the transmission's build date (10,000 day calendar code) and a 4-digit sequential production number are stamped into this pad.
With the beginning of the 1970 model year, the new "lug-style" synchronizer rings and the wider (.382" vs .216") synchronizer strut keys were introduced. Production of the AAR Cuda and T/A Challenger Trans-Am models in the spring of 1970 introduced the 2.47 low gear "close ratio" 23 spline gearset. 1970 A833 production brought to an end the tried and true ball-detent side cover, switching to the interlock lever design for 1971. The 18-spline transmissions also received a gear change with a 2.44 low gear ratio gearset for the 1971 models.
1974 ended the long tailshaft B- and E-body 4-speed production, while 1975 was the last year for the A-body short tailshaft 4-speed and the beginning of the overdrive versions of the A833. The 23 year run of the famous A833 ended with the 1986 model Dodge trucks.
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
[Re: rickstershemi]
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11/03/11 09:17 AM
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The 23 year run of the famous A833 ended with the 1986 model Dodge trucks.
Rickster
And managed to find its way into a few Chevy trucks at the end too (jsut some trivia).
That was a good write-up, Rickster. 
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
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The 23 year run of the famous A833 ended with the 1986 model Dodge trucks.
Rickster
And managed to find its way into a few Chevy trucks at the end too (jsut some trivia).
That was a good write-up, Rickster.
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Re: 500ft lbs of torque through an A833?
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11/04/11 01:44 PM
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Every aluminum A833 A/F overdrive that I've seen has the 904 output splines
There are some aluminum A body overdrive trans with the 30 spline output. Casting on the tail is C13305. Most however were the 26 spline.
Dan
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