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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: gj69charger] #1104466
11/02/11 04:13 PM
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Having a wide tire on the front makes it a lot harder to steer. If you have skinnies, its really easy. I hate mopar's factory power steering. Manual is the only way to go.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1104467
11/02/11 06:53 PM
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Thanks,fella's! Greg,I didn't price them,but I'm guessing the FR units are a little more than what I'm wanting to spend. Chip,the factory P/S is TOO EASY to turn! I want more "road feel" and a reduction in weight up front! BTW..my front tires are Mickey T's Sportsmans...5.5" wide.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Labratt] #1104468
11/02/11 07:03 PM
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Randy you would not be happy with FR or a flaming river. They are the hardest ones to turn on a heavy car. I think i have one of those adapters in stock and possably a good manual box. Give me a yell. Jake


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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Qbird] #1104469
11/02/11 08:18 PM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.




I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Stanton] #1104470
11/02/11 11:51 PM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.




I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!




Yes......Collapsible steering column. Ron

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: old_racer] #1104471
11/03/11 02:20 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line. Those rivets don't penetrate the sliding shaft at all...they just poke through holes and rub against it.
If you take a P/S steering shaft, and pull the center all the way out, it would actually touch the steering box itself, and STILL have 100% engagement with outer, or driving part of the shaft.




this may be true but the splines on the manual box are different than the p/box so the coupler still needs to be changed.




Yes, but all you need is the stock coupler that goes with the box you are using.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: 383man] #1104472
11/03/11 02:30 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.




I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!




Yes......Collapsible steering column. Ron




Wrong, take a column apart sometime and look at how it actually works. The collapsing is done simply by allowing the inner part of the shaft to slide up into the outer part. The outer part of the shaft has four holes that are filled with plastic. There are NO HOLES that corrospond with these on the inner shaft. All those plastic nubs do is create very slight resistance against the inner shaft. To go one step further, I recently did a column on a 69 Dart...virgin and never touched by human hands, that had the four holes and only one plastic "rivet" installed from the factory.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Labratt] #1104473
11/03/11 09:33 AM
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Thanks,fella's! Greg,I didn't price them,but I'm guessing the FR units are a little more than what I'm wanting to spend. Chip,the factory P/S is TOO EASY to turn! I want more "road feel" and a reduction in weight up front! BTW..my front tires are Mickey T's Sportsmans...5.5" wide.



Same tires I run. You'll love the manual steering then. One of our road runners used to have power steering...didn't take long to decide I didn't like it. If you could put 32x14 tires on the front of it, you could still turn it lock to lock w/ one finger, lol.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1104474
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Chip...32x14's??? Now,that would be a "sight"! Turning the steering wheel with 1 finger is for sissy boys...not big macho guys,like us!

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Labratt] #1104475
11/03/11 12:21 PM
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Chip...32x14's??? Now,that would be a "sight"! Turning the steering wheel with 1 finger is for sissy boys...not big macho guys,like us!




Like these! They dont turn very far before it hits everything. Its for the other side. I put it up on just for %hits and Grins

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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Labratt] #1104476
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FWIW if I had a B-body with PS, I'd change it over to manual without a second thought. I'd rather feel the road than steer with one finger, any time all the time.

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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: JAKE68] #1104477
11/03/11 02:16 PM
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Randy you would not be happy with FR or a flaming river. They are the hardest ones to turn on a heavy car.




I don't get why the Flaming River adapter would be make it any harder to turn than any others .

I have the Flaming River one on my '67 Satellite with a used manual box I bought from eBay. If the car is moving at all, like even a little bit, it's very easy to steer.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: 67Satty] #1104478
11/03/11 03:07 PM
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Jon,I don't think Jake was referring to the adapter,I think he's talking about their manual box,that Greg Johnson said he installed a while back.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: Labratt] #1104479
11/03/11 05:20 PM
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Got it! Thanks, sometimes I'm a little slow.

Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX? [Re: 67Satty] #1104480
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