Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! #1089338
10/06/11 12:19 PM
10/06/11 12:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 344
Near Indy
S
slowpoke Offline OP
enthusiast
slowpoke  Offline OP
enthusiast
S

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 344
Near Indy
Finally am getting around to replacing the electric fuel pump on my Charger with a mechanical and don't want to patch the line from tank to pump so will be replacing. I'm considering aluminum (3/8 size) but have never used it before. Any thoughts/opinions/tips/advice on using this? OK for a street car?
Thanks in advance!

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: slowpoke] #1089339
10/06/11 12:22 PM
10/06/11 12:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,085
Niles , Ohio
T
therocks Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks  Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,085
Niles , Ohio
Ive run the Summit aluminum on my 65 for 5 years now.No problems at all.Lots of street miles and easy to form.Rocky


Chrysler Firepower
Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: slowpoke] #1089340
10/06/11 12:38 PM
10/06/11 12:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,826
NY usa
5
540challenger Offline
master
540challenger  Offline
master
5

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,826
NY usa
Mild steel is the way to go. Alum can get brittle over time however off all the street cars I have seen I never seen an Alum line fail. So if you have the Alum. line already just do it.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: slowpoke] #1089341
10/06/11 01:05 PM
10/06/11 01:05 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
451Mopar Offline
master
451Mopar  Offline
master

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
I had 1/2 aluminum line on my Charger for a few years, but it cracked at one of the tube nuts, so i replaced it with -8AN stainless braded lines.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: 451Mopar] #1089342
10/06/11 01:59 PM
10/06/11 01:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
astjp2 Offline
master
astjp2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
I use aluminum line in aircraft, mostly antiques...you need the proper flaring tool, a Parker rotoflare is great. Aluminum lines do not like methanol, they corrode in the inside. It must be properly supported with Adel cushion clamps. The line that comes coiled up is usually grade "O" which is dead soft, if it comes in straight lengths, its hardened and more difficult to work with. You can get a beader for it but they are expensive, this allows you to connect a piece of rubber hose and not have it fall off. I personally have considered it, but I am thinking of going stainless myself. Tim

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: astjp2] #1089343
10/06/11 02:05 PM
10/06/11 02:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,920
n.e. pa.
6
65rbdodge Offline
master
65rbdodge  Offline
master
6

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,920
n.e. pa.
i have aluminum fuel line on my dart and coronet. coronet for 10+years and dart for 5+years. no problems at all. also have it for trans cooler lines on my dart and valiant, no problems.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: astjp2] #1089344
10/06/11 03:06 PM
10/06/11 03:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 22,732
Bitopia
J
jcc Offline
If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc  Offline
If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
J

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 22,732
Bitopia
Quote:

but I am thinking of going stainless myself. Tim




Hardline or braided? I know many say they never had any problems with alum, but compared to SS hardline, how much weight savings is there, a pound? I just can't wrap my mind around how much fuel exits a torn alum line under pressure at speed, and I doubt surviveable without a lot of damage/injury, all for a pound?


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: jcc] #1089345
10/06/11 03:11 PM
10/06/11 03:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 893
Tustin, CA
P
pishta Offline
super stock
pishta  Offline
super stock
P

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 893
Tustin, CA
Nope, run steel. Aluminum work hardens as said, becomes brittle and can crack. If its not %100 supported. Its worth the steel price. Just my opinion.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: pishta] #1089346
10/06/11 03:24 PM
10/06/11 03:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
I ran alum & years later it spring a leak where it was rubbing on an Adel clamp that was missing a piece of rubber around the ID of the clamp. On my last one I used prefabbed lengths of parts house 3/8" straight line with the male inverted flare ends & joined them with an Edelman brass double female inverted flare fitting. Never again the stuff is too hard to bend. There's gotta be some softer steel


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: RapidRobert] #1089347
10/06/11 04:22 PM
10/06/11 04:22 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15,134
Kelowna, B.C. Canada
D
DPelletier Offline
I Live Here
DPelletier  Offline
I Live Here
D

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15,134
Kelowna, B.C. Canada
I'd never use aluminum; only advantages are weight and ease of forming and the weight is negligeable and mild steel isn't hard to form. disadvantages are aluminum is brittle and prone to stress cracks.....not something I'd want for a fuel line. Steel or SS



Dave


1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: DPelletier] #1089348
10/06/11 04:37 PM
10/06/11 04:37 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 15,487
Florida
S
scratchnfotraction Offline
I Live Here
scratchnfotraction  Offline
I Live Here
S

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 15,487
Florida
I run a 1/2' line with a 3/8" return line

I used the home a/c foam insulation on both lines then clamped the to the frame. good protection from chaffing/rubbing on the frame and clamps

used -AN to hard line comp fittings to splice on some braided line on the parts that can be seen under hood.

I do have the one end flard with a flare nut right to the -8 an nipple at the pump.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: DPelletier] #1089349
10/06/11 04:59 PM
10/06/11 04:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1 Offline
Too Many Posts
Challenger 1  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Quote:

I'd never use aluminum; only advantages are weight and ease of forming and the weight is negligeable and mild steel isn't hard to form. disadvantages are aluminum is brittle and prone to stress cracks.....not something I'd want for a fuel line. Steel or SS



Dave




Exactly.
With todays gas, there will be problems with aluminum lines sooner than later too.
For a street car it's much more dangerous than a race car.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: Challenger 1] #1089350
10/06/11 06:16 PM
10/06/11 06:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,074
detroit, mi
POS Dakota Offline
super stock
POS Dakota  Offline
super stock

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,074
detroit, mi
What about this stuff?

http://store.fedhillusa.com/

I'm considering ordering it myself.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: jcc] #1089351
10/06/11 06:41 PM
10/06/11 06:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
astjp2 Offline
master
astjp2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
Hard line, I have the tools to build 1/2" lines...Tim

Quote:

Quote:

but I am thinking of going stainless myself. Tim




Hardline or braided? I know many say they never had any problems with alum, but compared to SS hardline, how much weight savings is there, a pound? I just can't wrap my mind around how much fuel exits a torn alum line under pressure at speed, and I doubt surviveable without a lot of damage/injury, all for a pound?



Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: Challenger 1] #1089352
10/06/11 06:44 PM
10/06/11 06:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
astjp2 Offline
master
astjp2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
If your aluminum is cracking, you are using the wrong aluminum or its installed wrong. You DO NOT double flare aluminum, you need specific radius bends for each specific line, Aircraft vibrate much more than most race cars, they have been using it for decades and no issues when done correctly. Tim

Quote:

Quote:

I'd never use aluminum; only advantages are weight and ease of forming and the weight is negligeable and mild steel isn't hard to form. disadvantages are aluminum is brittle and prone to stress cracks.....not something I'd want for a fuel line. Steel or SS



Dave




Exactly.
With todays gas, there will be problems with aluminum lines sooner than later too.
For a street car it's much more dangerous than a race car.




Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: astjp2] #1089353
10/06/11 07:18 PM
10/06/11 07:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 343
S.E.Mich
D
drew72 Offline
enthusiast
drew72  Offline
enthusiast
D

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 343
S.E.Mich
If you're using aluminum for the ease of bending, most good auto parts stores sell coiled steel brake line. You can use one continuous piece, it bends easily and is much more durable than aluminum.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: astjp2] #1089354
10/06/11 07:37 PM
10/06/11 07:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 22,732
Bitopia
J
jcc Offline
If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc  Offline
If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
J

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 22,732
Bitopia
Quote:

If your aluminum is cracking, you are using the wrong aluminum or its installed wrong. You DO NOT double flare aluminum, you need specific radius bends for each specific line, Aircraft vibrate much more than most race cars, they have been using it for decades and no issues when done correctly. Tim

Quote:

Quote:

I'd never use aluminum; only advantages are weight and ease of forming and the weight is negligeable and mild steel isn't hard to form. disadvantages are aluminum is brittle and prone to stress cracks.....not something I'd want for a fuel line. Steel or SS



Dave




Exactly.
With todays gas, there will be problems with aluminum lines sooner than later too.
For a street car it's much more dangerous than a race car.








I am not sure it correct to compare an airplane to a car. No fuel corrosion issues, not sure hitting a pot hole/curb is the same as being buffeted, little road debris at 5,000 ft, most lines in a plane are enclosed, and weight is a bigger issue aloft, routine inspections are required in aircraft but cars are more install and worry about when there is problem, and not much reason to worry about a fender bender in the air. However the concept of properly installing a fuel line likely is valid for both.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: astjp2] #1089355
10/06/11 09:05 PM
10/06/11 09:05 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
451Mopar Offline
master
451Mopar  Offline
master

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
The aluminum line I used was from Summit Racing. 37-degree single flair with AN Fittings and the AN tube sleves/nuts. It was fine for about five years, then got one crack near the flare at a bulkhead fitting at the engine compartment. May have been some flexing from the body that caused the problem?
I may have needed a strain relied bend in the line to account for some body flexing?

In 3/8" I like the reproduction lines in stainless steel. Factory fit and look, and compatable with any fuel.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: 451Mopar] #1089356
10/06/11 09:19 PM
10/06/11 09:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1 Offline
Too Many Posts
Challenger 1  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Quote:

The aluminum line I used was from Summit Racing. 37-degree single flair with AN Fittings and the AN tube sleves/nuts. It was fine for about five years, then got one crack near the flare at a bulkhead fitting at the engine compartment. May have been some flexing from the body that caused the problem?
I may have needed a strain relied bend in the line to account for some body flexing?

In 3/8" I like the reproduction lines in stainless steel. Factory fit and look, and compatable with any fuel.





You experienced what we are warning about, aluminum will crack eventually. Will you catch it soon enough?
Too much vibration in a street car and doesn't offer the protection you need in a crash.

The guys who say it's fine, I bet they don't drive there cars much. imo
I'm still using the original steel 5/16 fuel line in my 74, do you think that would be the case if it was aluminum? I don't think it would last this long, electrolysis would have eat it by now.

Re: Aluminum fuel line: thoughts and opinions please! [Re: DPelletier] #1089357
10/06/11 09:55 PM
10/06/11 09:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 344
Near Indy
S
slowpoke Offline OP
enthusiast
slowpoke  Offline OP
enthusiast
S

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 344
Near Indy
I was thinking of using it as it would be easier to form. I ran the 3/8 line that's there now and it was a bear to bend. I'm probably going to show my ignorance here, but what is the "softer steel" and where do you get it? Can it be formed easier than the brake line steel lines?
Thanks again!

Page 1 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1