|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: DusterDave]
#1061055
08/30/11 05:45 PM
08/30/11 05:45 PM
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,722
Chicagoland
Cooter
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,722
Chicagoland
|
Quote:
Quote:
When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.
Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well. 
That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.
Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: Cooter]
#1061056
08/31/11 12:15 AM
08/31/11 12:15 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.
Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.
That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.
Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.
Thanks for the info, Cooter! I'm totally green to this 4x4 stuff, and I'm trying to get up to speed the best I can. Let me ask you this, can I use the guts and tail housing from a Jeep 999 trans and stuff it in a 904 case? *edit* I think you already answered that in one of your previous posts.
From what I've read, the Dana 300 is a stout piece!! Cast iron housing, gears instead of chain driven. Sounds like my kind of transfer case! But, like you mentioned, I can beef up my 231, and it will be fine for what I'll use it for.
Hey Bubba! Yeah, a couple years have past since selling my Duster, and I thought I was done wrenching on projects, but then this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU
Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: DusterDave]
#1061057
08/31/11 08:19 PM
08/31/11 08:19 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 9,366
Lehigh Acres, Florida
rickstershemi
master
|
master
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 9,366
Lehigh Acres, Florida
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.
Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.
That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.
Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.
Thanks for the info, Cooter! I'm totally green to this 4x4 stuff, and I'm trying to get up to speed the best I can. Let me ask you this, can I use the guts and tail housing from a Jeep 999 trans and stuff it in a 904 case? *edit* I think you already answered that in one of your previous posts.
From what I've read, the Dana 300 is a stout piece!! Cast iron housing, gears instead of chain driven. Sounds like my kind of transfer case! But, like you mentioned, I can beef up my 231, and it will be fine for what I'll use it for.
Hey Bubba! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU
Yeah, a couple years have past since selling my Duster, and I thought I was done wrenching on projects, but then this happened:
I new it was only a matter of time before you got something new going...It's a curse 
If you really needed something to keep you busy I could have just towed the Valiant up there for the body-work & paint 
Rickster
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: rickstershemi]
#1061058
09/02/11 10:58 PM
09/02/11 10:58 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
The Jeep is now in the teardown phase. Thanks to PB Blaster, I'm making some progress. That reminds me, I need to buy another can. Once I get the tub off, I'm going drop off the frame at a local shop and have it completely sandblasted. When it comes back, I'll then begin work on the areas of the frame that need metal replacement. As for the tub, other than the driver's side floor and the corners where the roll bar mounted to, it is in pretty solid condition. I've located the basic parts for the new driveline. I found a 727 out of a '86 Ramcharger 4x4. I also found front and rear Dana 44 axles out of a 1986 Jeep Wagoneer. Folks, it's gotta get ugly before it gets beautiful...   
Last edited by DusterDave; 09/03/11 03:26 PM.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: DusterDave]
#1061059
09/03/11 08:48 AM
09/03/11 08:48 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,325
Truckville, the capital of NY
85_Ram_4speed
master
|
master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,325
Truckville, the capital of NY
|
I am not normally a Jeep guy, but something about you building a jeep makes me interested. I can't wait to see the results, and loved watching the build of the Duster over the years. I don't know the reasons why you sold the Duster (doesn't really matter to me), But if it was to step away from the hobby a bit for a mental health check and/or family, I totally understand--been there done that. But you must feel good to have some tools in hand and building something again I would imagine. Good luck and i'll be watching 
Outcast Dodge guy.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: Cooter]
#1061062
09/03/11 03:13 PM
09/03/11 03:13 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Quote:
If you are going with a passenger side drop and a 727, you are going to need quite a bit of lift to clear the trans pan. 904 doesn't have the bump out at the dipstick tube.
Thanks, Cooter. I appreciate the advice! I had a late-breaking change of plans, which is good, considering the advice you just gave! I found front/rear Dana 44 axles out of an '86 Grand Wagoneer, which has the driver side drop. I edited my last post to reflect this new info.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: 85_Ram_4speed]
#1061063
09/03/11 03:21 PM
09/03/11 03:21 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Quote:
I am not normally a Jeep guy, but something about you building a jeep makes me interested. I can't wait to see the results, and loved watching the build of the Duster over the years.
I don't know the reasons why you sold the Duster (doesn't really matter to me), But if it was to step away from the hobby a bit for a mental health check and/or family, I totally understand--been there done that. But you must feel good to have some tools in hand and building something again I would imagine.
Good luck and i'll be watching
Thanks! Should be interesting for me too, since this is my first 4x4 vehicle. Nothing like diving head first into the great unknown!!
Basically, I was burned out and lost interest in the Duster. I was also at the point where I didn't want to sink another nickel into it. I was totally done, and I had to walk away for a while. Yes, wrenching on a new project (one that won't cost me an arm and two legs to build) has put the spark back in me.
I'm going to make this Jeep very nice, I just hope I can restrain myself enough and not make it so nice that I won't want to drive it off-road, for fear of getting a scratch in the clearcoat. 
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: Cooter]
#1061065
09/05/11 09:55 PM
09/05/11 09:55 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Cooter, thanks for your input! I need that kind of sage advice from the experienced wheelers! See the pic below, the rear axle I bought is indeed a Dana 44, and the front is not the CAD type. I did my homework, bro!  OK, here's what I dragged home today. I pulled a set of front and rear Dana 44 axles out of an '86 Grand Wagoneer that was on its way to meet its fate with a crusher. I thought it was a good deal at $250 for the pair. Externally, they appear to be in excellent condition, and complete. I also pulled a TF727 out of an '85 Dodge Ramcharger that was rotting away in a salvage yard. As previously mentioned, I'm going to put a very mild 318 in my Jeep. The axles and trans will of course get completely rebuilt.  
Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: DusterDave]
#1061066
09/15/11 01:49 PM
09/15/11 01:49 PM
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,722
Chicagoland
Cooter
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,722
Chicagoland
|
Well done! I figured you knew full well what a D44 looked like, but I wanted to put the info in this thread, as many people selling Jeep parts (and building Jeeps, for that matter) don't. Don't even get me started on the people selling "Front and Rear D44s" from Ramchargers...
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#1061068
09/15/11 09:11 PM
09/15/11 09:11 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
mopar346
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
|
Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,836
Florida
|
Sorry for the delay, looks like you are moving along well. I'm up around Tallahassee, but get down to Tampa regularly. Here is a great engine/trans swap info site. http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_433.htmThey don't seem to be into Mopars much. My concern with the 727 would be length/angle of the rear shaft.
Careful, your character's showing!
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: mopar346]
#1061069
09/16/11 12:21 AM
09/16/11 12:21 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
I helped pull the 44's out of this, an '86 Grand Wagoneer. The old girl looked a bit tired and long in the tooth.  I picked up a low miles 318, along with an air gap intake, Crane roller rockers, MP cast finned valve covers, and a new in the box Melling HV oil pump, all for $200. My friend offered to give me this stuff for free, but I didn't feel right about that. The intake, valve covers and rockers are for late model magnum heads, so that's what I'll use. I've got a line on a new unused set of magnum heads, I'm just waiting for the seller to email me back with shipping cost. Here is the 318 block taking a nice, long soak in degreaser. It was really, really grimy, inside and out.  This is going to be an ultra low buck build. There will be no machine work on the block. We're going to run a flex hone through the bores to restore the cross hatching, buy a set of KB hypereutectic pistons and moly rings, new bearings, new Comp 270 hydraulic cam, lifters, pushrods, polish the journals, have the rotating assembly balanced, and slap it together. I will spend the money on a new Holley 600 and MSD distributor, though.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: mopar346]
#1061070
09/16/11 12:26 AM
09/16/11 12:26 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Quote:
My concern with the 727 would be length/angle of the rear shaft.
Why is that? I'm going to keep the transfer case in the stock location. I am also considering using new leaf springs for a Wagoneer, which will stretch my wheelbase 2" per axle. This 727 is 26-1/2" long, so it may push the 318 forward a couple inches further than the current engine's location, but I think I'll be OK.
|
|
|
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project!
[Re: mopar346]
#1061072
09/16/11 03:44 PM
09/16/11 03:44 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
DusterDave
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,845
Tampa
|
Quote:
Just not a lot wheelbase to work with to start with, but moving the engine forward as long as it doesn't effect balance and clearance will keep the output in the stock local combined with moving the rear axle rearward will allow for more angle. Depending on the lift and of course your planning it ahead, it may not be a concern. I have a 4 inch lift with the outputs are in the stock location and it's not bad, but when I take the axles under the springs with a bigger pumpkin, I will have to pay attention to mine.
I appreciate your advice. I'm seriously considering doing a SOA (spring over axle) plus the Wagoneer leaf springs.
|
|
|
|
|
