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Re: 70 challenger 383-originally blue engine [Re: 6bblgt] #1059884
01/25/15 08:49 AM
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I kow this is an old thread, but since I've been searching for information on this very topic, and most info I found is here, I thought this might be the best place to add this :

From Barry's website, we can see there are two versions of the dealership databook (early and late). Some pages show a difference concerning the 383ci engine.

In the early version of the brochure, on page 21, the E63 engine code appears twice :
- Once for the 330HP version, optional on the base Challenger (N/A on the R/T),
- Once for the 335HP version, standard on the R/T (N/A on base Challenger).



In the late version of this page, only the 335HP version remains, as the standard R/T engine and the optional base Challenger engine :



To confirm this, in the engine lineup, pages 13 to 15, there are two distinct 383 4-barrels in the early version (383-4bbl and 383-4bbl Magnum).
The 383 Magnum is not available on base Challenger. Only the Magnum remains in the late version. The text description of both engines is identical, the only difference is their power outputs (330/335).
Early Page 13 :

Late Page 13 :


However, there might be some errors in the brochure, as the graphics (in both early and late version) show the 383 Magnum and the 440ci-4bbl using a single snorkel air cleaner :


Now the questions :
Does anyone know when the switch took place between the early and late versions?
If people with JH23N0B or JH27N0B Challengers can post their SPD and original engine color, maybe we can estimate this (or rather fins out when was the earliest orange 383 Magnum installed in a base Challenger).
Can anyone confirm that AC or export specs would somehow influence the engine used for a N code, E63 car?


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Re: 70 challenger 383-originally blue engine [Re: fbernard] #1059885
01/25/15 02:19 PM
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My JH27N0B car is an E63 AC with automatic. B24 SPD. It's NOM but I have no doubts the original engine would have been blue. The car I posted a picture of a couple years back is 10 or 11 VINs before my cars and it's similarly optioned other than it is not an AC car and its engine is blue. My understanding is that my engine would be orange if my car had been a 4 speed.
There was a member who used to post here who had a JH23N0B 4 speed car that iirc his dad was the original owner and it had an orange motor. Sorry but I have no info on its SBD.

Re: 70 challenger 383-originally blue engine [Re: Mastershake340] #1059886
01/27/15 09:50 AM
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Thanks.
So, a late November 1969 production car would still be using the "early" brochure specifications.

My own cars (JH27N0B, SPD : January 13th 1970, JS29N0B, SPD : October 21th 1969) do not have their original engines.
Now I know the R/T SE should have a blue engine, but I'm not sure about the convertible.

Re: 70 challenger 383-originally blue engine [Re: fbernard] #1059887
01/27/15 12:04 PM
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No, all Challenger R/T's engines were originally orange. Your JH car's 383 would be blue if it came with an automatic, orange if it had a stick.

Re: 70 challenger 383-originally blue engine [Re: Mastershake340] #1059888
01/30/15 11:03 AM
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Oops, I was so focused on the dates that I forgot my hardtop is an R/T.
But are you sure all plain Challengers with A/T, non-AC, 383-4bbls got a blue engine until the end of the 1970 run?

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