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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: HEMIDARTS]
#1057190
10/25/11 10:50 PM
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Charleston
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you read one reply & presum something thats not even true, you need to read the whole post before making such a statement,jg309
if your friend can make money on the intake selling it for 500-550, maybe he should buy one to copy. i just dont think anyone would be willing to ship off $1000 and hope to see it again. nothing personal.
BTW, i will buy one when he starts pumping them out 
His "friend" as he calls him is well known in the MOPAR racing camp.
His "friend" is named Kent Ritter.
Kent is a good man, and knows his stuff.
Kent is also making a damn nice block that is every bit as good or maybe better than the R3.
Kent is not a big fan of the " internet ".
Most people know Kent from when he was sponsored by MOPAR with the Daytona's.
Im sure Kent is not trying to rip people off here.
It sounds like he is trying to fill a void.
MOPAR says they are not making more intakes, or very few.
The way i see it, that is nice of Kent to try and help people out.
you should do a biography on him
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1057192
10/25/11 11:13 PM
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Smyrna, South Carolina
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converter does not "fit" into the back of my crank. there appears to be a reducer in the crank. does that easily come out? i couldnt get it easily out.
what do i need to do here?
anyone?
Did the previous owner run a Turbo 400 trans? I had to Loctite & press in a steel sleeve bushing into the end of my crank as I am running a Turbo 400 trans & the converter snout is a smaller diameter than a Mopar converter.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1057194
10/26/11 12:43 AM
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Dayton, Ohio
wldtm
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drag pack intake from stanton racing is 775$. that is the cheapest i have found.
sixpackgut, you got a pick of this spacer?
Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1057196
10/26/11 08:20 AM
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Almont, MI.
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All new hemis that have the 5 speed trans( car motors) behind them had the spacer. I use a carbid bit and grind a relief in the side of the spacer and then pop it out.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: STEFF]
#1057199
10/26/11 02:50 PM
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I wonder if he plans to get Chrysler's permission to cast their manifold? I'm sure Chrysler wouldn't mind a royalty check.
Nobody at Chrysler knows anything about that, or the 420 W9 manifold he makes, or the polysphere race heads that will be coming out of Austrailia... Nope, nobody at Mopar Performance ever reads any of this stuff or discusses it in meetings. It never happens. Never never never.
Seriously, all he has to do is cast the runners 1/32" longer than stock and make the carb pad 1/32" taller and presto, it ain't "the same" manifold anymore.
Not real difficult for him to get around.
My question is, can he do it forever? If somebody knows Kent, they should tell him to stop casting the logo and casting numbers immediately. He can make whatever parts he wants, but if the wrong people find out about the logo and so on, guaranteed big problems from 'the wrong people'.
He should cast his own logo into the parts, or none at all.
Hell, compare the XV motorsports intake to the old MP 5.7 crate engine intake. There's nothing new under the sun...
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
#1057200
10/26/11 04:08 PM
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Portersville, Pa
1badx
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I agree 
I would do a 5.7 stroker which would work out to a392" motor
I would go with the eagle head for $
The 6.1 stuff is more expensive. the 5.7's can be found comeplete motors for a few hundred bucks.
With bobs K frame you could even keep the truck oil pan.
A 392" eagle headed motor could make 600hp easy with all stock stuff except for the stroker kit and lil head porting.
I know this was one of the original responses... but ultimately for a budget build this is a hard to beat combo. We've been involved with quite a few 5.7 builds and the current "magic" budget build is a 5.7 block, 6.1 crank, shelf rods (Eagle, K1, Manley etc.), good shelf pistons w/reliefs (Diamond, Weisco etc.), 6.1 lifters (non-MDS), Apache heads (although the original 5.7's configured properly are hard to beat for port velocity), a 6.1 intake, a 90mm throttle body, SRT4 injectors, a .600/230/240 cam, good headers and fuel pump(s) and you have a killer street/track combo that will knock high 10's down all day in a 3500# car.
Add a meth injection system and you can do it on pump (87 oct) gas.
I'm an old school Mopar guy but really am impressed with these engines and the power potential.
The last combo we tuned containing the parts listed above made only 12whp less than my 3700# [Email]10.5@126[/Email], roller cammed, BME rod, Venolia piston, Indy headed, Dominator fed 440!
No need to convert these to carb either, just get the PCM when you buy your engine and find a CMR dealer to "flash" a tune for you.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 1badx]
#1057201
10/26/11 05:33 PM
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I agree
I would do a 5.7 stroker which would work out to a392" motor
I would go with the eagle head for $
The 6.1 stuff is more expensive. the 5.7's can be found comeplete motors for a few hundred bucks.
With bobs K frame you could even keep the truck oil pan.
A 392" eagle headed motor could make 600hp easy with all stock stuff except for the stroker kit and lil head porting.
I know this was one of the original responses... but ultimately for a budget build this is a hard to beat combo. We've been involved with quite a few 5.7 builds and the current "magic" budget build is a 5.7 block, 6.1 crank, shelf rods (Eagle, K1, Manley etc.), good shelf pistons w/reliefs (Diamond, Weisco etc.), 6.1 lifters (non-MDS), Apache heads (although the original 5.7's configured properly are hard to beat for port velocity), a 6.1 intake, a 90mm throttle body, SRT4 injectors, a .600/230/240 cam, good headers and fuel pump(s) and you have a killer street/track combo that will knock high 10's down all day in a 3500# car.
Add a meth injection system and you can do it on pump (87 oct) gas.
I'm an old school Mopar guy but really am impressed with these engines and the power potential.
The last combo we tuned containing the parts listed above made only 12whp less than my 3700# [Email]10.5@126[/Email], roller cammed, BME rod, Venolia piston, Indy headed, Dominator fed 440!
No need to convert these to carb either, just get the PCM when you buy your engine and find a CMR dealer to "flash" a tune for you.
How much would you say a build like this one would cost?
Just a ballpark figure? 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: HEMIDARTS]
#1057204
10/26/11 08:03 PM
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Portersville, Pa
1badx
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How much would you say a build like this one would cost?
Just a ballpark figure?
You might be better off buying a built combo (like the one listed above). I have at least one customer selling his complete engine after the Gen III Hemi shootout in ATCO on 11/4. That combo is setup for E85 but I have tunes for pump gas that I could email you as well as walk you through the "load" process.
PM me if you want me to get a price if you're interested. Otherwise, if you're a "do it yourself" guy, locate a 5.7 core, I have a bunch of 6.1 cranks ($150 each), you can usually find a 6.1 intake for $4-500, and the rest of the parts can easily be priced used or new.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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#1057205
10/26/11 08:21 PM
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Ontario Canada
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The way the new Hemi's are designed, you really don't need those clips or spacer's. The pushrod angle will keep the rocker arm tight to the rockershaft holdown. When you want to spin these new Hemi's up and control oiling...? That's another story.
So what is a safe rpm without oiling mode?
6500?
Your safe at 6500 rpm. Above 7000 rpm is when you get into the pucker factor.
So my previous post about the oiling issue, am i close in thinking that at a higher rpm the oil is moving so fast that it has a hard time making the 90 turn at the mains?
This is why the fist and last bearing are alright but the middle ones strave for oil.
Or am I out in left field.
BTW thanks for the info
This time I was refering to controlling the oil at the rocker arms. 
 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 1badx]
#1057206
10/26/11 08:51 PM
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Dayton, Ohio
wldtm
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How much would you say a build like this one would cost?
Just a ballpark figure?
You might be better off buying a built combo (like the one listed above). I have at least one customer selling his complete engine after the Gen III Hemi shootout in ATCO on 11/4. That combo is setup for E85 but I have tunes for pump gas that I could email you as well as walk you through the "load" process.
PM me if you want me to get a price if you're interested. Otherwise, if you're a "do it yourself" guy, locate a 5.7 core, I have a bunch of 6.1 cranks ($150 each), you can usually find a 6.1 intake for $4-500, and the rest of the parts can easily be priced used or new.
i am building a similar engine. i have the 5.7 and the 6.1 crank.
what rods are you using, the 2.100 drag pack rods, or another part number?
and what about a piston part number?
thanks in advance... and i maybe interested in another 6.1 crank. will you ship?
Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap?
PM for details
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: wldtm]
#1057207
10/26/11 09:01 PM
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Portersville, Pa
1badx
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How much would you say a build like this one would cost?
Just a ballpark figure?
i am building a similar engine. i have the 5.7 and the 6.1 crank.
what rods are you using, the 2.100 drag pack rods, or another part number?
and what about a piston part number?
thanks in advance... and i maybe interested in another 6.1 crank. will you ship?
Everything we use can be found here (including prices):
http://www.pwrparts.com/
Ask for Andy and tell them Mike from OST told you to call.
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