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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
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10/15/11 11:54 AM
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What quality are the OEM head bolts and main bearing cap bolts? Are they re-usable,or do they need replaced after every torquing/use?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: hemidup]
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10/20/11 08:51 PM
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This stuff with the Gen III is really frustrating, confusing, discouraging, expensive, time consuming, labor intensive, expensive, frustrating, and did I mention expensive....I think I'm going to go CrAzY before I get anyting done..  ....nothing like a learning experience.. 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/20/11 11:23 PM
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This stuff with the Gen III is really frustrating, confusing, discouraging, expensive, time consuming, labor intensive, expensive, frustrating, and did I mention expensive....I think I'm going to go CrAzY before I get anyting done.. ....nothing like a learning experience..
Not a popular sentiment, but if you want a modern powerplant, you can save yourself the Gen III hemi headaches by installing a Chevy LS engine. That is the choice I made.
They are small, light, strong, inexpensive, gloriously simple in operation, completely supported by the aftermarket and capable of making big HP for very little money.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/20/11 11:50 PM
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This stuff with the Gen III is really frustrating, confusing, discouraging, expensive, time consuming, labor intensive, expensive, frustrating, and did I mention expensive....I think I'm going to go CrAzY before I get anyting done.. ....nothing like a learning experience..
Care to elaborate on your issues?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: Dave W]
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10/21/11 10:42 AM
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Do the Gen III Hemi's and LA style small blocks share the same bellhousing bolt pattern? If so, what flywheel would you use for a Gen III Hemi with an A-833 four speed?
Yes same bolt pattern. Don't know about flywheel.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/21/11 12:02 PM
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This stuff with the Gen III is really frustrating, confusing, discouraging, expensive, time consuming, labor intensive, expensive, frustrating, and did I mention expensive....I think I'm going to go CrAzY before I get anyting done.. ....nothing like a learning experience..
Care to elaborate on your issues?
Mostly just frustration from no experience on these engines...get a 'game plan' worked out in my head/on paper,,then start trying to find parts,,find out I can get better, quicker, results buying complete components. Probably just started out with the wrong engine(5.7), should have started with a 6.1...problem being, couldn't find one. This was supposed to be a conservativly priced experiment with the Gen III Hemi, to be used as a 'test' engine, but has turned into a costly 'primary' engine.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/21/11 02:13 PM
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This stuff with the Gen III is really frustrating, confusing, discouraging, expensive, time consuming, labor intensive, expensive, frustrating, and did I mention expensive....I think I'm going to go CrAzY before I get anyting done.. ....nothing like a learning experience..
Care to elaborate on your issues?
Mostly just frustration from no experience on these engines...get a 'game plan' worked out in my head/on paper,,then start trying to find parts,,find out I can get better, quicker, results buying complete components. Probably just started out with the wrong engine(5.7), should have started with a 6.1...problem being, couldn't find one. This was supposed to be a conservativly priced experiment with the Gen III Hemi, to be used as a 'test' engine, but has turned into a costly 'primary' engine.
These motors aren't any more costly than your average engine build. Parts are parts regardless of what they go in....pistons, rods, cranks etc.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: STEFF]
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10/21/11 02:51 PM
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Not trying to be a wise-a$$$,,,but I was talking about the price of QUALITY parts, not stock parts..I don't want to end up with a failure like you had..again, no insults intended. Still pals..?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/21/11 03:07 PM
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Not trying to be a wise-a$$$,,,but I was talking about the price of QUALITY parts, not stock parts..I don't want to end up with a failure like you had..again, no insults intended. Still pals..?
what exactally are you spending all this money on?
i have 4k in mine. granted i got a deal on a used short bock but still cheap vs anything else 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
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10/21/11 03:23 PM
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Not trying to be a wise-a$$$,,,but I was talking about the price of QUALITY parts, not stock parts..I don't want to end up with a failure like you had..again, no insults intended. Still pals..?
what exactally are you spending all this money on?
i have 4k in mine. granted i got a deal on a used short bock but still cheap vs anything else
Good rods, good pistons, good valves/springs/retainers etc.,,6.1 heads, carb intake, MSD box to fire coils, cylinder machining, camshaft/lifters, the normal stuff. I just had heard on here they were cheap, as you yourself are saying, I don't see it that way. Not trying to up-set ANYONE, just making conversation of the topic.... 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/21/11 04:53 PM
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Not trying to be a wise-a$$$,,,but I was talking about the price of QUALITY parts, not stock parts..I don't want to end up with a failure like you had..again, no insults intended. Still pals..?
what exactally are you spending all this money on?
i have 4k in mine. granted i got a deal on a used short bock but still cheap vs anything else
Good rods, good pistons, good valves/springs/retainers etc.,,6.1 heads, carb intake, MSD box to fire coils, cylinder machining, camshaft/lifters, the normal stuff. I just had heard on here they were cheap, as you yourself are saying, I don't see it that way. Not trying to up-set ANYONE, just making conversation of the topic....
I'm not talking about stock parts either. I'm talking about the aftermarket parts as well. Again, the items I spoke of and the ones you mentioned aren't any more expensive than any other engine platform.
And, no offense taken. My new stroker short block will be plenty stout to prevent what happened with the stock short. And, I'm using a 5.7 block this time, as they are plentyful!
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/21/11 08:06 PM
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You arent gonna save anything on the bottom end from what I see if you are putting good aftermarket parts in it. The BIG at least in my eyes benefit is the valvetrain. It appears I can make the same horsepower and the valvetrain will live forever verus this roller cam that I have now that beats up springs, lifters, pushrods etc. Its gonna cost you $10,000 on the engine to go well in the 9's like I am with a small block at 3000 lbs. Its gonna cost you about the same with the Gen III if you are switching everything over including headers and the ignition but the Gen III appears as though it will live longer. At least thats what I am hoping for. The ongoing maintenance is where this will pay off. MLS head gaskets $45, cheap springs, etc.
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